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On April 24 2012 23:50 MostDifferent wrote:
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.
The person who hit him would face worse charges.
Norway has one of the most advanced legislations in the world imo
The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally.
Even Germany wouldnt let him go with 21 years imprisoned though.
Prisoners in Norway even get a chance to rehabiliate and "get clean" on an island called Bastøy, seperated from the outer civilization. Even the toughest guys become mentally kind of "stable" after their time there, because they get treated like humans and not like in a US prison.
So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.
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good ol pathetic USA....
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On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?
I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is a big difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such.
It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these.
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On April 25 2012 00:14 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail? I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is quite the difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such. It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these.
I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.
All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.
There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.
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On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.
This is just not true. There are so many differences in culture, just look at the difference in masculinity/femininity between Norway and the US.
http://vandijktrack.com/hofstedes-cultural-dimensions/
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On April 25 2012 00:26 Geen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's. This is just not true. There are so many differences in culture, just look at the difference in masculinity/femininity between Norway and the US. http://vandijktrack.com/hofstedes-cultural-dimensions/
I should have been more clear and said I meant in the context of this particular situation as far as the events of the incident itself, there aren't culture differences at play.
There definitely are as far as judicial culture (mandatory minimum sentences, the decision to prosecute, and the decisions as to what charges to prosecute with).
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I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.
Actually you are mistaken. Norwegians know how to party without going crazy, it lies in our blood to handle alcohol.
And trully lemonade beer is not uncomon in norway either (be wary of tasty beer), I hope they sipped lemonade beer if any lemonade was innvolved.
Drunk norwegians are like most Europeans, loud and noicy, but mostly harmless.
All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.
That you are right in.
Sometimes people act in ways other find strange, but acting on emotions by attacking someone is rather cavelike.
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The United States doesn't have a culture. It's over 300 million people. Manhattan will have a different culture than inner city Baltimore, which will have a different culture than a suburb of Pasadena or a small town in the Appalachia.
There are probably gated communities in he US that haven't had a single punch thrown in years, while there are other communities that have near daily murder.
On April 25 2012 00:28 barrocco wrote:Show nested quote +
I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.
Actually you are mistaken. Norwegians know how to party without going crazy, it lies in our blood to handle alcohol.
lol....
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On April 24 2012 23:41 SilentBonjwa wrote:
come to think, Anders Breivik being in Norway gets 21 years in Jail - after killing 77 people.
sucks to be convicted on US court.
I don't think this is true. Maximum sentence is 21 years, yes, but you could be kept in "containment" (i think this is the best translation) for 5 years, with unlimited extension. So he will probably never see freedom again. As for this guy, he would probably get a fine(or maybe not, depends on the officer), and so would the guy punching him.
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I don't know, but Arizona seems pretty fucked up from an outsider's perspective, at least here on TL.
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On April 25 2012 00:12 SilentBonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 23:50 MostDifferent wrote:
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.
The person who hit him would face worse charges. Norway has one of the most advanced legislations in the world imo The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally. Even Germany wouldnt let him go with 21 years imprisoned though. Prisoners in Norway even get a chance to rehabiliate and "get clean" on an island called Bastøy, seperated from the outer civilization. Even the toughest guys become mentally kind of "stable" after their time there, because they get treated like humans and not like in a US prison. So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.
Except he Breivik will not be let off after 21 years most likely.
But Arizona is Lol worthy, Like seriously what a joke of a state.
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Arizona is probably more of a hardcore red state right now than Texas. It is seriously that bad. It's a shame that something stupid like this is happening but not at all surprising.
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A friend of my dad told my dad. Never drive into the wrong places in the US as a white guy. You might just get killed.
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On April 25 2012 00:35 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 00:12 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 24 2012 23:50 MostDifferent wrote:
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.
The person who hit him would face worse charges. Norway has one of the most advanced legislations in the world imo The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally. Even Germany wouldnt let him go with 21 years imprisoned though. Prisoners in Norway even get a chance to rehabiliate and "get clean" on an island called Bastøy, seperated from the outer civilization. Even the toughest guys become mentally kind of "stable" after their time there, because they get treated like humans and not like in a US prison. So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them. Except he Breivik will not be let off after 21 years most likely.
I dont think so too, but if he can avoid the psychiatry he might even get a chance to get to Bastøy, a true gangsters paradise, where he could go fishing and life kind of free in the nature, seperated from non criminals forever though.
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On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 00:14 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail? I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is quite the difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such. It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these. I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade. All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd. There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.
You can not compare European drinking culture to American. It's completely different. It's also proven that Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance.
Still, this is so OT as it can get
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SilentBonjwa Germany. April 25 2012 00:12. Posts 98
The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally
So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.
Slightly off topic but i can second that.
The breivik case and the way in wich it has been handled has made a great impression on me, and society can learn alot from that case.
You can achieve so much more with this human way of treating criminals then by making beasts out of them, wich in my strong believe will only create more beasts.
Personally i also wish the whole world was like the scandic countrys (norway denmark swede finland)
"I should have been more clear and said I meant in the context of this particular situation as far as the events of the incident itself, there aren't culture differences at play."
The cultural difference is in the way the society looks at criminals and brings them to justice.
I imagine the aim of usa system mostly to be to punish the criminal first and prevent him from doing crime again second.
In norway i can imagine that more effort is taken to understand the criminal and why he has come to his action, then to prevent him from doing it again and lastly punishing him.
I imagine there is a good reason for this btw.
The USA is a high crime area and europe is a low crime area so a different aproach towards criminals can definatly be justified.
"a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's."
While it is true that most europeans (my country included) WRONGLY consider themselves culturally superior to america (wich i would find quiet annoying as well if i was from the usa) the scandic countrys do have something to back up such a claim.
If you examine their society you will find they are one of the most human and civil societys in the whole world.
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One reason why I want to live in Canada.
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At least we've boiled this pointless story down to it's core: A comparison of who's country is better than others. Everyone make your vote for the best country! I'm gonna cast my vote for Angola, just to be contrarian.
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You can not compare European drinking culture to American. It's completely different. It's also proven that Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance.
Still, this is so OT as it can get
Drinking culture has nothing to do with it, crowds with drunk people in them are the same everywhere. Give up the defensive superiority reflex already.
While it is true that most europeans (my country included) WRONGLY consider themselves culturally superior to america (wich i would find quiet annoying as well if i was from the usa) the scandic countrys do have something to back up such a claim.
If you examine their society you will find they are one of the most human and civil societys in the whole world.
No, they don't, they just have a set of arbitrarily chosen standards that they have asserted are the most important.
Americans could just as easily point to other arbitrary standards - like, oh, size of home, or meat consumption, or ownership of certain material goods like automobiles - and declare that look, we have a superior culture because of those! Doesn't make it true.
And judging by this thread and so so so so many others, Scandinavians having a more civil society to a degree that it actually matters seems a pretty big stretch. I guess the internet and young people on the internet aren't the best standards to judge how civil a country is though.
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This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.
unless the guys rental car was a freaking porsche, he should have rolled up the windows, stay still and call the cops. you cannot justify running someone over.
Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.
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