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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On May 23 2012 13:38 majoraLoL wrote: A lot of people seem to forget how good of a player Grant Hill used to be...injuries man...injuries. Not only that, he just got old really. He still had decent spark in him when he played for the Magic, he just obviously wasn't what he used to be. | ||
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majoraLoL
United Kingdom13 Posts
On May 23 2012 14:04 Cloud9157 wrote: Not only that, he just got old really. He still had decent spark in him when he played for the Magic, he just obviously wasn't what he used to be. He isn't the player he used to be, but he can still contribute pretty well.. Just kinda sad he decided to stick in pheonix. I think he could help a big team like the Lakers or the Heat pretty well.. 2 teams that really need to fix their bench. My question to you all is, what do you think about the former stars of this league that are either lost because of injuries, or attitude, like : Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson (love this guy). | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13430 Posts
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Haters enjoy the downfall of players. The first are acceptable, the latter are not. EDIT: where in the world is Allen Iverson? | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
although he was quite the shot jacker, the fact that he was so short and fast and still outplayed and broke people's ankles makes him sick as hell | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On May 24 2012 00:07 BlueRoyaL wrote: allen iverson was one of my favorites for sure. so sad how fast his career deteriorated though, largely due to his own personal issues and stubbornness. although he was quite the shot jacker, the fact that he was so short and fast and still outplayed and broke people's ankles makes him sick as hell It's also really really tough for a 5'11" guy to compete when he gets into his 30's and father time robs some of his quicks. Steve Nash has been so good for so long because of his unique skill-set that doesn't depend that much on physical attributes. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
First-team: LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Tony Allen Second-team: Luol Deng, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Rajon Rondo, Kobe Bryant | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:01 VENDIZ wrote: A tad off topic, but the first and second All-Defensive teams were announced today.. and the defensive player of the year, Tyson Chandler, was voted to the second-team... how does that work?! First-team: LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Tony Allen Second-team: Luol Deng, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Rajon Rondo, Kobe Bryant Because Dwight is still a better defensive player, people just got tired of voting for the same person. It's Defensive Team, so you need 2 guards, 2 forwards and a center. You can't have like 5 centers as first team. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:07 OreoBoi wrote: Because Dwight is still a better defensive player, people just got tired of voting for the same person. It's Defensive Team, so you need 2 guards, 2 forwards and a center. You can't have like 5 centers as first team. If the "criteria" for getting into the All-Defensive teams are the same as All-NBA teams then # of games will make a difference for some people voting.. and I'm guessing it was pretty much the same people voting for All-Defensive as the DPOY award.. ..and if the fact that D12 is on avg. a better def. player than Chandler ergo makes the first-team, shouldn't KG had that first-team PF spot locked in a long time ago? | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:13 VENDIZ wrote: If the "criteria" for getting into the All-Defensive teams are the same as All-NBA teams then # of games will make a difference for some people voting.. and I'm guessing it was pretty much the same people voting for All-Defensive as the DPOY award.. ..and if the fact that D12 is on avg. a better def. player than Chandler ergo makes the first-team, shouldn't KG had that first-team PF spot locked in a long time ago? Oh wait, so the all defensive team is voted based on coaches and the media votes for DPOY. So that's probably the reason for the difference. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:19 OreoBoi wrote: Oh wait, so the all defensive team is voted based on coaches and the media votes for DPOY. So that's probably the reason for the difference. Wuuut, isn't DPOY voted by coaches? How did I not know that?! :< | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The fact that Kobe once again even sniffed the team when he hasn't been good enough to be on it for the last 6 years is a testament to how bad it is. | ||
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
KG not winning DPOY (he's been it for like 5 straight years but w/e) and now not getting the spot over Ibaka is madness. | ||
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majoraLoL
United Kingdom13 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:19 OreoBoi wrote: Oh wait, so the all defensive team is voted based on coaches and the media votes for DPOY. So that's probably the reason for the difference. So basically its a popularity contest. IMO Rajon Rondo is a much better defender then CP3, and even as a huge Kobe fan, I dont think he deserves that spot on the second team. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:01 VENDIZ wrote: A tad off topic, but the first and second All-Defensive teams were announced today.. and the defensive player of the year, Tyson Chandler, was voted to the second-team... how does that work?! First-team: LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Tony Allen Second-team: Luol Deng, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Rajon Rondo, Kobe Bryant Where is Metta World Peace? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:01 VENDIZ wrote: A tad off topic, but the first and second All-Defensive teams were announced today.. and the defensive player of the year, Tyson Chandler, was voted to the second-team... how does that work?! First-team: LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Tony Allen Second-team: Luol Deng, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler, Rajon Rondo, Kobe Bryant At a glance, I feel like the first team is fine, and the second team would be if Kobe was replaced with Iguodala. Personally, I think Ibaka and Paul are there because they lead the league in their respective defensive stats, i.e. BLKs and STLs. It's not an accurate measure of defensive ability in my opinion, but it makes sense that the league would feature the league leaders in those stats for this kind of thing since it doesn't officially track any other defensive statistics. Even as a Lakers fan, I find it mind-boggling that Kobe is on either team this season. I thought this one would be the one where they finally left him off of it, but I guess not. Even more egregious because they left off Iguodala, who is a ridiculously good defender. | ||
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