On April 07 2012 01:06 Jisall wrote: There never was a skill gap. Blaming someone for being korean and winning is just an escape goat to protect one's ego. Somewhere along the line people started believing Koreans were better, and they defeated themselves before they even split their workers.
lolwut? They win everything because we think there is a skillgap? Please come back to reality and check the tournament results for the past year... Koreans win everything for a reason... They practice harder and smarter and therefore are better. The skill gap is only going to get worse if the BW pro's really do switch over.... I hope some foreigners are practising their asses off at least... would be nice to have one or two who can compete.
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
On April 07 2012 01:47 fox77 wrote: The main problem is that with bw dying bw players will move to sc2 increasing the gap. There are players in bw who will be bonjwa or have the potential the skill gap will only increase.
Still, is the skill gap increasing 'a problem'?
For foreigner players probably.
And for the people like you and I who support this scene and watch games?
No for foreign pro gamers it's hard to win any prize money as is. If players can't make a living they will quit just ask Stephano he said he decided to do one more year of starcraft because last year was a good year for him finanically. The increase in skill gap is bad for foreign players because it means less prize money for them. Unless foreigners can keep up with Koreans which I doubt.
On April 07 2012 01:06 Jisall wrote: There never was a skill gap. Blaming someone for being korean and winning is just an escape goat to protect one's ego. Somewhere along the line people started believing Koreans were better, and they defeated themselves before they even split their workers.
lolwut? They win everything because we think there is a skillgap? Please come back to reality and check the tournament results for the past year... Koreans win everything for a reason... They practice harder and smarter and therefore are better. The skill gap is only going to get worse if the BW pro's really do switch over.... I hope some foreigners are practising their asses off at least... would be nice to have one or two who can compete.
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
I agree to an extent because I actually think people use that mentality as a built in excuse in order to not work harder.
I differ from that in that I believe instead of working harder, people use it as a scapegoat for losing. They lost because he was a Korean, not because they didn't perfect their strategy.
So in a sense we both know where each other is coming from. I said the same thing as you, just in different words.
The foreighners are catching up, but still behind. The gap may never be closed completely, but it's not necessary as long as foreighners continue to progress.
On April 07 2012 01:06 Jisall wrote: There never was a skill gap. Blaming someone for being korean and winning is just an escape goat to protect one's ego. Somewhere along the line people started believing Koreans were better, and they defeated themselves before they even split their workers.
lolwut? They win everything because we think there is a skillgap? Please come back to reality and check the tournament results for the past year... Koreans win everything for a reason... They practice harder and smarter and therefore are better. The skill gap is only going to get worse if the BW pro's really do switch over.... I hope some foreigners are practising their asses off at least... would be nice to have one or two who can compete.
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
On April 07 2012 00:54 CeroFail wrote: I don't think there are that many foreigners who have consistently beat high level Koreans. There are some though but until they start hitting Code S and what not I wouldn't say that they've caught up just yet.
Off the top of my head - Stephano, HuK, Naniwa, Ret, Morrow, Thorzain, SaSe, Sen, Sheth, and yes, IdrA are able to take games off top Koreans in macro games.
The problem with this list is that it's got one new talent - Stephano - who came up during the 1.5 years SC 2 has been out. The rest were there at the beginning of SC 2, and are still there today.
The foreigner's scene is shallow and stagnant. It has no depth and no future.
its really annoying reading some casual sc2 fan spout off bullshit like this when its clear he has no idea about the scene mostly because he barely follows it outside of who wins GSL and or MLG.
On April 07 2012 01:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] lolwut? They win everything because we think there is a skillgap? Please come back to reality and check the tournament results for the past year... Koreans win everything for a reason... They practice harder and smarter and therefore are better. The skill gap is only going to get worse if the BW pro's really do switch over.... I hope some foreigners are practising their asses off at least... would be nice to have one or two who can compete.
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not deny that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
On April 07 2012 01:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
please do not change my question and answer it to your own liking.
Koreans are outright better than foreigners now its true, there is no point in denying it the results speak for themselves, to deny it is as bad as a mentality as saying that foreigners will never beat Koreans.
On April 07 2012 01:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] lolwut? They win everything because we think there is a skillgap? Please come back to reality and check the tournament results for the past year... Koreans win everything for a reason... They practice harder and smarter and therefore are better. The skill gap is only going to get worse if the BW pro's really do switch over.... I hope some foreigners are practising their asses off at least... would be nice to have one or two who can compete.
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
No, I still disagree on your viewpoint. I think they're using it as scapegoat for hard work and also for losing. They lost because the korean was better and even if they played at 100%, they still would lose. This gives them an excuse to not work harder because they don't want to put in the time and hours to get better and can always fall back on the he was korean excuse.
Also, I disagree with your opinion that because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I think that works in some cases but not here. I believe the sky is blue, not because that's what I believe, but that's what it is. At this point in time, I believe koreans are better, not because I believe, but because they are today. The results back that up. Whether that changes in the future only time will tell.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
please do not change my question and answer it to your own liking.
You asked a loaded question, I changed it to something i would answer.
On April 07 2012 01:44 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
please do not change my question and answer it to your own liking.
You asked a loaded question, I changed it to something i would answer.
I would still like an answer to my original question, avoiding it isn't helping you at all.
average foreign progamer will never surpass average korean progamer, unless they stop putting them on a pedestal. 12+ years of korean RTS dominance is intimidating, and hard to build confidence against. no ammount of extra practice or hard work ethic will change anything unless foreigners build confidence and break out of this mindset.
On April 07 2012 01:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
Master player lose to bronze because of mental barrier too?
Americans like Incontrol, Idra, Axlsav are not up to par. Europeans like Sase, Naniwa and Nerchio are also not up to par,
Stephano is a slight exception, but i only rekon he has about a 51% edge on the top Koreans, and thus he will have a relativity even record vs top Korean players.
So in short, only Stephano is up to par, and thus one can not judge western progress on the basis of one players results.
Explain IPL3. I like using Stephano as an example because of his attitude. Focus on your own gameplay to get better, don't focus on your opponents "superior skill". BW and SC2 may be based in the same universe, but they are hardly the same game. Edit: Koreans are people, not starcraft gods.
I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
No, I still disagree on your viewpoint. I think they're using it as scapegoat for hard work and also for losing. They lost because the korean was better and even if they played at 100%, they still would lose. This gives them an excuse to not work harder because they don't want to put in the time and hours to get better and can always fall back on the he was korean excuse.
Also, I disagree with your opinion that because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I think that works in some cases but not here. I believe the sky is blue, not because that's what I believe, but that's what it is. At this point in time, I believe koreans are better, not because I believe, but because they are today. The results back that up. Whether that changes in the future only time will tell.
I can respect your opinion on this since for you it is about hard work. If you don't win your not working hard enough. Your taking responsibility for the loss and not blaming it on someone else. It is that mindset that I am trying to get across.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
please do not change my question and answer it to your own liking.
You asked a loaded question, I changed it to something i would answer.
I would still like an answer to my original question, avoiding it isn't helping you at all.
If you would like the answer to my edited version of your question then you already have it. As far as answering your original question, i'll pass.
On April 07 2012 01:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
that's why you are in denial and clueless.
the fact that Koreans win has everything to do with them being better.
On April 07 2012 01:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote: [quote] I never said they were starcraft gods... but they are better, Stephano winning one tournament does not mean there is no skill gap. Koreans have won almost every single tournament since they started coming out here, foreigners are lucky to last more then 1 season in GSL lately. How can you even try to deny that their is a skill gap?
I'm not saying they are better just because they are Korean... I'm saying they are better because they practice more and practice smarter. Until foreigners do the same, the Koreans will keep getting better.
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
Wait, so just to be absolutely clear, you think that there is no skill difference between top foreigners and top Koreans and it's only due to psychological reasons that foreigners are less successful?
By saying the practice smarter, your saying that Koreans practice schedule is the best way to get better at starcraft. So if you don't practice like a korean then you cannot be as good as one. Your proving my point by assuming the Korean model is the strongest.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove because no one is saying the korean model is the best without proof. The results have backed that assertion, so it's not up for debate.
If you have already closed the debate on the topic then there is no sense in discussing this with you.
Well you actually haven't brought up any points in this debate except wishful thinking. Hopeless dreaming is also counter productive. At some point, you do need to look at facts and reality.
My point is if you go in thinking you are not good enough, and that the other person is better, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will lose.
That's right but it has nothing to do with the fact that koreans are better at SC2 right now.
It is because you believe that to be true, that it becomes true. I'm saying that enough people believe that what your saying it true, that it is skewing the result because of the mental aspect of the game.
one question, do you or do you not think that koreans are better than foreigners right now?
I think that the reason Koreans are winning more game's then Foreigners has nothing to do with skill, but rather a mental barrier.
Wait, so just to be absolutely clear, you think that there is no skill difference between top foreigners and top Koreans and it's only due to psychological reasons that foreigners are less successful?
Yes. The psychological reasons being that foreigners have the consensus that Koreans are better.
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