EPTSchool Shooting in Ohio - 3 Dead, 2 Injured - Page 7
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As always, with topics as complex and sensitive as these, please take a minute to think before you post. If this thread is to stay open the following must be avoided: - Disrespect to any of the parties involved (be it the bullies or bullied) The above includes: - Justifying or glorifying death or suicide as deserved - Disregarding or belittling the circumstances that give rise to these situations There's a reason why these discussions are always so sensitive. There are extremes on either side of the discussion that are disrespectful and narrow-minded in their own ways; the best approach is to carefully consider the other side before posting Warnings and bans will be handed out for unreasoned and insensitive statements. | ||
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thetablebythewindow
United States5 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:37 HULKAMANIA wrote: Yeah, if only there were someone in this thread suggesting that everyone quit knee-jerk victim blaming and wait around to see what actual facts surface... Well I never stated this but I have been basing my posts on a pretty big IF. With new information being stated, it might look like myself and a lot of the other people here are going to look pretty silly... | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:35 Yacobs wrote: Once you kill people your life is over anyways so nn to run away, he even turned himself in shortly after the shooting happened so doing it in the school was appropriate for him. Also he probably thought it through that the bullies have less chance of escape in the confinement of the cafeteria or w/e.If he was specifically targeting certain kids then, I'm sorry, but this shooter kid is a total moron. No reason to cause a ruckus and shoot up your high school. Just follow the bully on his way home and at least hope to get away with it without possibly hurting innocent people. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:25 Erik.TheRed wrote: Let's just hope this guy didn't play video games, or the media will have a field day with the implications You're probably right.. Sad to see this happen.. If something scares me it is someone shooting another person for something that could have been resolved in another wya. | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You think that a proper sentence to bullying in a court of law is death by firing squad? Your name is rather appropriate, I suppose. Not at all, the circumstances are completely different. 99% of the time when a case of (childhood) bullying is reported in a school both parties are punished equally (if at all) and the bullying only gets worse. It's obvious that some people will reach a breaking point from the massive massive amount of abuse that the system not only fails to prevent but actually perpetuates through punishing victims and making them feel like the bullying is their fault. If a sadistic human being makes a conscious effort to try and push someone towards this point and they happen suffer the consequences when that person finally snaps, they only brought it on themselves through stupidity, and not only do i not feel sorry for them, but the world is probably a better place with them not in it. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:37 HereBeDragons wrote: DO tell us more, since you're likely to know more about what really happened, not the media-filtered version of the story that already has drama added. I'd like to hear more about this. I would also like to know more, because if this is true, then we have all been REALLY missing the point. | ||
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Spieltor
327 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: Working on my Master's in psych currently, but sure, atleast I didn't make up stuff. I understand that there is genetic predisposition to some of the pieces of bullying (violence, oppression, alpha/beta interaction), but the entirety of this situation is psychological bullying that has practically no place in the animal kingdom. Humans are amazingly unique compared to other animals in social interaction. Boiling down my opinion to "mystical" is an inane strawman. You fabricated a lie to support your point and I dismissed the point. Genetics give you a predisposition to many things but are not more effective than conditioning for societal interaction. Period. Anyone who took psych 101 would understand this. The split identical twin studies show that while they're very similar physically, their opinions and ideas on the world and general are vastly determined by who raised them. edit: I'm obviously speaking in the general, here, as there are obviously extreme cases of genetic predisposition to erratic and uncontrollable behavior as per your socio- and psychopaths. The average child, on the other hand, is product of their environment for their behavior. I'd say to return your degree and go back to school and actually study this time. Humans are amazingly unique compared to other animals in social interaction. dolphins, chickens, and apes are examples of the same human behavior you think is so singular. you realize dolphins rape, murder, kidnap, bully, and have sex with animals from different species? humans are not unique, because their behavior is driven by genetics. dolphins alone should prove that. hell, chickens aren't even in the same groups as dolphins or man but they bully like mad. I actually grew up on a farm. no further arguments you have will be read or considered by me. edit: I realize you'll will have an argument with the dolphin bit so I'll state it thus: Dolphins evolved via genetics and are exhibiting the same social behaviors of humans. humans evolved via genetics and exhibit the same social behaviors as dolphins. The common link is the building blocks of life. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:37 Zdrastochye wrote: I'll be totally honest, if all bullies had feared this happening to them, maybe bullying would be self policing? I in no way condone what he did, but perhaps even if it happened more some good might come out of it. Would you pick on someone if you knew it'd result in you getting shot? Not likely... Well...yeah...but that sort of logic carries over to everything. Should stealing a candy bar from a gas station when you're a kid get you sentenced to a hanging? I bet more kids would stop stealing candy bars right? | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
So let's give understanding to someone that will cause more trauma than any bully could ever hope to do. One kid dead, 4 kids wounded. How many more traumatized? What did any of them ever do to deserve this? | ||
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
Bullying is not punishable by taking lives and causing fear. The HS is located next to the elementary school and middle school. How schools and teachers handle bullying is the problem. | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:40 NuKedUFirst wrote: What other way could it have been resolved? The school didn't care. Should the shooter have just committed suicide?You're probably right.. Sad to see this happen.. If something scares me it is someone shooting another person for something that could have been resolved in another wya. | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You think that a proper sentence to bullying in a court of law is death by firing squad? Your name is rather appropriate, I suppose. A lot of people on TL, for whatever reason, are all about applying the death penalty to minors who mistreat other minors. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:42 zalz wrote: Bullying is wrong. So let's give understanding to someone that will cause more trauma than any bully could ever hope to do. One kid dead, 4 kids wounded. How many more traumatized? What did any of them ever do to deserve this? What - it's wrong to feel sympathy for everyone...? | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
The shooting is easily explainable. A bullied person who doesn't get support from anyone - parents, teachers, classmates, friends - lives in hell. We don't know how heavy the bullying was but to cause such a reaction it needs a psycho or some heavy bullying. It's never justified though. From the point of view of the law, or from what morals tell us. Reality is just, this is bound to happen if the problem isn't adressed. Sad sad day. | ||
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Spieltor
327 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:43 OmiDeLta wrote: What - it's wrong to feel sympathy for everyone...? sympathy for everyone doesn't make people feel safer. | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:43 OmiDeLta wrote: What - it's wrong to feel sympathy for everyone...? Nope. It's not. Now go back to the start of the thread and read how many posts completely deny sympathy to teenagers who were shot. That's who zalz is talking to. | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:42 zalz wrote: Bullying is wrong. So let's give understanding to someone that will cause more trauma than any bully could ever hope to do. One kid dead, 4 kids wounded. How many more traumatized? What did any of them ever do to deserve this? Im willing to bet that the psychological "trauma" of a gunshot wound is significantly less then having a lifetime of psychological and emotional damage caused by a few years of bullying in highschool. | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:46 gosuMalicE wrote: Im willing to bet that the psychological "trauma" of a gunshot wound is significantly less then having a lifetime of psychological and emotional damage caused by a few years of bullying in highschool. Maybe in your case. You seem to have "survived" bullying with a massive, emotionally debilitating chip on your shoulder. I don't think that's the norm, however. | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:45 HULKAMANIA wrote: Nope. It's not. Now go back to the start of the thread and read how many posts completely deny sympathy to teenagers who were shot. That's who zalz is talking to. I know...I know...it's sad no matter how you swing it... | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:46 gosuMalicE wrote: Im willing to bet that the psychological "trauma" of a gunshot wound is significantly less then having a lifetime of psychological and emotional damage caused by a few years of bullying in highschool. Oh come on, the kids at that school and those who were shot could just as easily (and I'd argue are more likely to) suffer years and years of emotional damage. | ||
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