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mememolly
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
I personally have a high diamond random friend who does not cheese and is actually very good at macro games with all three races. It's not impossible, but it takes a lot more dedication. But that's one random player who's not cheesed me out of nearly all the random's I've ever played. It gets frustrating before long. As a community, most people don't want "Random" to be an option simply because it provides an unfair advantage to the random player. A proper solution would be to display the player's race on the loading screen, perhaps as "Random: Zerg," for instance, but because very few people play random it's not become a large enough issue to force Blizzard to take action (yet.) | ||
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia984 Posts
Playing randoms is a waste of time so I find it to be best to just leave. No, I don't want to play vs zerg without a wall or a FFE, I don't want to face a korean 4gate with 13core or a cannon rush with a wall-in, and being on 3gate vs 1rax gasless CC is also not fun. | ||
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
For example--a toss would prefer to forge FE vs Zerg, but vs a zerg who went random a Protoss has to open 1base defensive or 4gate rush in case of pvp. It just messes up the sense of optimization as feels like *another* random variable to deal with. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Seriously, to all random players: Use a dice. If 1-2, play T, if 3-4 play P, if 5-6 play Z. That way, you get to play random race, yet you're not forcing your opponent to play badly. The only reason a random player would play random and not say their race, is because they are afraid of opponents being able to play the way they want. | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:24 kenkou wrote: So here's a question to you random players. If you're playing random on the ladder, and you face another random player, what type of opening build order would you do with each race? Even though I am not a "random no-skill cheeser" I must admit that the stereotype has some merit, and that's why I'll 9 Drone scout, Pylon scout, and Depot scout. I put the Pylon/Gate near my Nexus, because that's standard against Terran/Protoss, but make my gate on 11 or 12 in case it's a fast pool Zerg and hope my micro doesn't fail me. If it is Zerg, I have to get creative in order to not fall behind in the mid-game against a relatively fast expo, but it usually involves some form of Stalker pressure into Stargate play. Terran I'll get a gas and go 1/1/1 against Terran, 2 Rax against Protoss, and reactor Hellion against Zerg. Usually I can scout before I have to diverge into one of these builds, and the wall-off prevents any early cheese shenanigans from the other Random. Zerg I'll try to get his race either with the 9 scout or my opening Overlord, and hopefully can figure out if he's Terran or not before I throw down the Pool. If not, it's not that big of a deal, I just get Speed a little faster and be wary of Hellions. I will say, another definite perk to playing Random is that people tend to outright cheese you a lot less. Things like 6 Pool/Cannons/Proxies are non-existent except for the people who are just desperate against Random and do whatever cheese comes to mind (they exist, and they always feel the need to tell me why they cheesed after I hold it off). | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2338 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On February 23 2012 22:56 Geiko wrote: Why don't you pick a random race at the beginning of each ladder game instead of picking random ? Problem solved This. Roll a fucking dice, pick that race. Et voila, you are playing random without hiding your race to your opponent. The only reason to actually pick "random" at the start, is to abuse the fact that your opponent will not know what race you are while you will know what race he is. If you wanna abuse that, fine, but don't be surprise if people are raging. | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
On February 23 2012 22:56 Geiko wrote: Why don't you pick a random race at the beginning of each ladder game instead of picking random ? Problem solved it doesnt have quite the same feeling, I can't explain it. I like queuing up wondering what matchup I'll get this time. when I play random I always tell my opponent my race at the start so long as they don't start bming me as soon as the game loads Some random players give other random players a bad name. like I've met a random player who told me he was zerg when he was terran. another one on taldarim alter i said glhf. he said gl, I asked what race he was, he said "dont know" he was zerg, i scouted his early pool last. i lost. i wasnt mad as there was nothing i could have done but i know that would make some very angry. however most of the random hate seems to be people outside of master league who really think that having to pylon scout is going to give me such a huge advantage that I have basically won the game. i imagine it also frustrates players who just play one style or build for each matchup every game so when they encounter random players they don't have a build they can use, and if they only ever play gasless expand in TvP if they got gas incase it's another race they don't know what to do....and blame you for them not having a large enough repertoire of builds. | ||
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bouhko
193 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:27 UmiNotsuki wrote: As a community, most people don't want "Random" to be an option simply because it provides an unfair advantage to the random player. A proper solution would be to display the player's race on the loading screen, perhaps as "Random: Zerg," for instance, but because very few people play random it's not become a large enough issue to force Blizzard to take action (yet.) I really want some data on this unfair advantage thing. The number of pros playing random is very close to 0 and yet most tournaments don't forbid it. Don't you think that if random would give an unfair advantage, pro would play random ? Especially in korea where they don't have the stupid "cheese is lame" mentality ? Just stop it with the unfair advantage thing until we've seen some random player win some high level tournament. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Rolling the dices and manually picking doesn't allow you to unlock those portraits. | ||
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SoapSC
Netherlands112 Posts
Im also in Diamond League if you wanted to know. EDIT: On February 23 2012 22:56 Geiko wrote: Why don't you pick a random race at the beginning of each ladder game instead of picking random ? Problem solved And this is so true, the only reason you would be picking random is to not show your race that could occur confusion for your opponment. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
Also find it pathetic when random players dont tell u their race ( which is most of them). you can either play a fair game or be desperate enough for ladder points to take advantage of ur opppnent not knowing wat build to go. | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:27 ChaosTerran wrote: I think it sucks the most for Protoss when they have to play vs. a random player, they can't FFE because there is a 66% chance it's a terran or protoss, but other openings are alot worse vs. Zerg in my opinion. The zerg can always 15 hatch against you as a protoss because you shouldn't be FFE'ing. I'd probably rage at random players alot if I played protoss, it's inconvenient as terran, but as protoss it has to be an actual nightmare. I personally think you underestimate gate expand builds. Most protoss' I know act like anything that is not ffe versus zerg is somehow auto-loss. and pylon scouting on the majority of maps means you can block a hatch first from zerg unless you're very unlucky. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:32 ThePianoDentist wrote: it doesnt have quite the same feeling, I can't explain it. I like queuing up wondering what matchup I'll get this time. when I play random I always tell my opponent my race at the start so long as they don't start bming me as soon as the game loads Some random players give other random players a bad name. like I've met a random player who told me he was zerg when he was terran. another one on taldarim alter i said glhf. he said gl, I asked what race he was, he said "dont know" he was zerg, i scouted his early pool last. i lost. i wasnt mad as there was nothing i could have done but i know that would make some very angry. however most of the random hate seems to be people outside of master league who really think that having to pylon scout is going to give me such a huge advantage that I have basically won the game. i imagine it also frustrates players who just play one style or build for each matchup every game so when they encounter random players they don't have a build they can use, and if they only ever play gasless expand in TvP if they got gas incase it's another race they don't know what to do....and blame you for them not having a large enough repertoire of builds. The problem is not that I have to pylon scout. The problem is that I have to lock in my build well before I know your race. I have to place my pylon either at my ramp (as I want to wall against Zerg) or in a safe spot in my bass (against Terrans or Protoss). Also depending on the map I might also want to open with a Forge in order to FFE against Zerg instead of with a gateway. (Even though I personally don't FFE) It is absolutely impossible to know your race before I place my pylon or even if it is then the loss of mining time is that big that the only viable followup is to proxy 2 Gateways and hope for the best. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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