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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
February 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#61
yeah, i couldnt think of a single tournament which forbidds random.
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
February 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#62
On February 23 2012 23:14 VelJa wrote:
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On February 23 2012 23:12 bouhko wrote:
[...] I'm sure we'd see pro random, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Because a lot of tournaments don't accept it !


are you serious? Thats bullshit
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
February 23 2012 14:18 GMT
#63
From personal experience, the higher you get in the leagues, the less random the random player is. A random player who's still in bronze will not just be crap with one race but with three. If said player gets to silver/gold/plat he won't have the large skillset that players have that are playing one race and will most often be revolving around 1/2-base plays exclusively.
The fact that you get "no skill cheeser"-comments is probably because you.... cheese?
I don't know what league you are in but if people actually just leave the game because they see that they are facing a random player I guess you're still in the lower leagues so just accept the free wins I guess
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
February 23 2012 14:18 GMT
#64
Random is dumb because you don't know what race you're up against and as such can't do a race specific build until you scout them.

I think esports is pretty nice.
HaiFiSCH26
Profile Joined November 2011
Bulgaria91 Posts
February 23 2012 14:19 GMT
#65
Well 90% of the games taht ive played vs a rando mplayer he cheesed or did some extremely stupid strat that had no meaning.No1 likes to be cheesed so i think u get the point.
IrOnKaL
Profile Joined June 2011
United States340 Posts
February 23 2012 14:19 GMT
#66
Drewbie always says it's BM to play random and therefore will always cheese a random player on ladder haha. Always makes me laugh.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
February 23 2012 14:19 GMT
#67
On February 23 2012 23:17 Zeon0 wrote:
yeah, i couldnt think of a single tournament which forbidds random.

I'm pretty sure that you are not allowed to choose random but rather have to choose one before the start of the game and then use that for the remainder of the series. Opponent not knowing what race you play but you know his will just give ju an extreme advantage.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
February 23 2012 14:20 GMT
#68
Most random players cheese or play random to play some gimmicky strat and take advantage of that they are infact random.

But if you are a player that roll random because you do infact enjoy playing all races or you just can't settle with one race - please tell your opponent what race you spawned instead of being the ^ douche.

Or just pick a race between each matches and rotate them.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 14:22:17
February 23 2012 14:20 GMT
#69
ok guys i'm wrong
sorry :S

(But i think you have to choose a race before the game, or something like that)
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
February 23 2012 14:21 GMT
#70
no, in most tournaments you have to choose t/z/p or random at the begin of the tournament and then you cant change the race till you're done

for example the gsl handles it this way (with the exception of morrow)
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
bouhko
Profile Joined January 2012
193 Posts
February 23 2012 14:22 GMT
#71
On February 23 2012 23:14 VelJa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 23:12 bouhko wrote:
[...] I'm sure we'd see pro random, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Because a lot of tournaments don't accept it !

Well the GSL does allow random since Gumiho qualified as random (GSL 3). So give us link to other tournaments.

No, I think the reason we don't see pro random is not because it's forbidden, but because this would require being pro-level with all 3 races, which seems pretty hard.

I think most people are pissed at random players because they have to play safe and cannot fast expo 2 times and go super-greedy builds.
u sixpoll ?
getdeadplz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States116 Posts
February 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#72
My problem with random is that they get an advatage for picking a race/option and if played correctly some all in can't be held because of forced build order disadvantages.
lolz
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
February 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#73
On February 23 2012 23:02 Utopi wrote:
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On February 23 2012 22:57 Roynalf wrote:
On February 23 2012 22:54 VelJa wrote:
On February 23 2012 22:49 Lorizean wrote:
It's the internet. People BM..

Captain Obvious !

Here is too a funny fact : there is no random progamers! Exept a CodeS Korean i believe, long time ago who pick a race now. Aww i don't remember the nick ...

guineapig or what ever its spelled



Actually Gumiho is the only player ever to have been in GSL playing random. As we all know he is terran now though

GuineaPig was protoss when he was in gsl, but seems to play random now.


GuineaPig also played terran for a while.
At least Liquidipedia states this: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GuineaPig

Playing random on a professional level is total baller.
I will forever love Gumiho, GuineaPig and TLO for trying.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 14:24:42
February 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#74
On February 23 2012 23:19 Xcobidoo wrote:
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On February 23 2012 23:17 Zeon0 wrote:
yeah, i couldnt think of a single tournament which forbidds random.

I'm pretty sure that you are not allowed to choose random but rather have to choose one before the start of the game and then use that for the remainder of the series. Opponent not knowing what race you play but you know his will just give ju an extreme advantage.

As said before: link to the rules of a single tournament. Just one will do.

I know that MLG's rule is not that you can't Random but is to make sure they don't have an ever-looping thing when you have to Race Pickers against eachother. For example MorroW plays (ZvT ZvP TvZ); what would happen if he would play against somebody that would play (TvT TvP ZvZ)? You'd have an endless amount of bullshit which is why MLG states that in such cases you have to blindly submit your race to the referee.

On February 23 2012 23:20 VelJa wrote:
ok guys i'm wrong
sorry :S

(But i think you have to choose a race before the game, or something like that)

That is indeed to prevent these ever looping situations.
softan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden113 Posts
February 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#75
If they cheese you and you lose then why not thank them? If you analyze the replay you really shouldn't ever lose to that same cheese again, the more you get cheesed the more cheese proof you get. Cheesing is part of the game as well so you need to be able to hold it off. If you win then you win and there's really nothing to complain about. I've never understood why people bm and rage because of a damn game in the first place.

If they are bm then don't answer them just block them and move on, don't let them bring you down to their level. It's their problem that they can't control their temper, if you just keep having fun then you're a winner in my book no matter how to game ends.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
February 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#76
PvR on TDA is borderline broken - I need to either prepare for 4gate, FFE or it doesn't matter that much against T. The random player gets a huge advantage.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
February 23 2012 14:24 GMT
#77
GSL allows random players.
The problem is not only that you dont know the other race at the start and this will fuck your opening, but also because people don't play a the same level with all the races. So if you have Master Terran and Silver protoss, will be around gold/plat, and then we will never play at the same level
kenkou
Profile Joined September 2010
United States235 Posts
February 23 2012 14:24 GMT
#78
So here's a question to you random players. If you're playing random on the ladder, and you face another random player, what type of opening build order would you do with each race?
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
February 23 2012 14:25 GMT
#79
On February 23 2012 23:14 Doctorasul wrote:
Random is inconvenient for the opponent, so instead of using their brain to play, they decide to whine. Lots of randoms "cheese", so what? So do lots of zergs and lots of terrans and lots of protosses. And even if randoms do "cheese" more often, why aren't you embracing practice vs cheese? Whiners will always whine, and if they have nothing to whine about they'll just make it up.

Whatever advantage a random player has in the first 40 seconds of the game is lost several-fold in the next minutes because of lack of practice in that particular MU. Play the game or quit if you don't like it.


Ding ding ding!

This guy nailed it. I get so much grief (I've played Random since release, have 1k portrait and am still picking Random because I like the variety). Not only for being a cheeser because I'm Random (even when I don't cheese), but also for the race I happen to draw. They'll complain about Protoss, I'll explain to them that I picked Random, but they don't seem to care.

Do I cheese? Sometimes. I like to think it's not any more often than most ladder warriors who pick a race. It's good to know some of those builds. I refuse to do builds, however, that are based solely on my opponents not knowing what race I am at the start (i.e. 6 pool, cannon, proxy). But I sure as shit will throw in some 2-port Banshee, blue-flame drops, DTs, etc. if I'm frustrated in a particular matchup or the guy has already griefed me about playing Random.

I also always tell my opponent my race if they ask. If they don't, I assume they don't care and proceed about my business. Late-game, I really only feel at a disadvantage in TvZ against players of equal skill because I haven't gotten enough practice and my multi-tasking isn't as high as it needs to be for a low-Master Terran. Every other matchup I can go toe-to-toe in the late-game with people at a similar level.

In the end, all I want is your ladder points, nomnomnom. Sometimes it will be through a 1/2-base all-in, but for the most part I prefer macro games.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 23 2012 14:25 GMT
#80
On February 23 2012 23:24 kenkou wrote:
So here's a question to you random players. If you're playing random on the ladder, and you face another random player, what type of opening build order would you do with each race?

I would expect 6 Pool, Proxy 9/9 Gate or 11/11 Barracks; only to then see that your opponent has done the identical thing. :D
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