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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3679 Posts
February 23 2012 14:08 GMT
#41
I do bm from time to time when I take a day and really focus on improving, not knowing what matchup you play at the beginning pretty much makes the time you spent on it kinda wasted. Though at the end of the day the only one to blame for the option is blizzard, I just wish they'd disable random in masters or maybe already on diamond level as there are cases where not knowing your opponnents race can put you behind from the start, which is a lot more important in higher leagues.
Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
February 23 2012 14:08 GMT
#42
No Problem with Random, as long as players announce their race after I ask them politely.
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss. MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see." You back slowly out of the booth. But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
February 23 2012 14:09 GMT
#43
i dont hate random players i just dislike the fact that if he rolls zerg i am pretty much doomed cause i didnt FFE
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 23 2012 14:09 GMT
#44
On February 23 2012 23:05 Nekratos wrote:
Well I do occasionally play random but I believe that random players that can play well deserve great respect - knowing how to play three races requires much much more skill than just one! Having to put so much extra effort into the game, the early game advantage is something that should be overlooked imho.

The problem is that when all you do when getting random is 11/11 rax, proxy 9/9 gate and 6pool then you still have only 3 matchups to learn: Terran Cheese, Protoss Cheese and Zerg Cheese.

The vast majority of random games never gets to any real macro stage where knowledge of the actual matchup is even remotely relevant. Having said that though Random players that aren't no skill cheeser do deserve respect.
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
February 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#45
For the fact that Random get an advantage Vs P for example, i think it's normal. Choose Random is a coinflip
When i'm VS Protoss and i am Protoss, i use this advantage by making a 4G, because my opponent would block his ramp, EZ pylon + Gate
And 80% of the time, yes, i CC/Hatch/Nexus first. It's hard to be a decent players in each matchups, so we need a little advantage !!
Foe example i'm sooo bad in TvZ .. it scares me :d
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
Torra
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway469 Posts
February 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#46
I think in general, random players tend to do more cheeses because they won't have the same amount of practice with one spesific race (the one they end up playing in game) as a player who only practices for one race.
JonnyClark
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom79 Posts
February 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#47
suprised at the reactions on here. i played random for a few seasons just so i could understand each race better. i never really got a lot of BM, maybe it's because i didn't really cheese
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#48
There was a big thread where people expressed their opinion and feelings about playing vs Random, if you want to know more about the "random hate".

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304196
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 23 2012 14:11 GMT
#49
On February 23 2012 23:10 JonnyClark wrote:
suprised at the reactions on here. i played random for a few seasons just so i could understand each race better. i never really got a lot of BM, maybe it's because i didn't really cheese

I can tell you that that is the reason. If all you'd have done though would be either 11/11Rax 6 pool or 9/9 Proxy gate then you would have been getting death/rape threats every single game.
bouhko
Profile Joined January 2012
193 Posts
February 23 2012 14:12 GMT
#50
On February 23 2012 23:08 Full.tilt wrote:
Some people see playing random as offering an unfair advantage at the start of the game. Which is completely understandable.

Well, the random player gets an advantage at the start but then he's probably disadvantaged as the game moves since it's unlikely he'll be as skilled as the opponent with all three races.

I mean, random is an option the game gives you. Just use it to your advantage. Now, if random was giving an unfair advantage, I'm sure we'd see pro random, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
u sixpoll ?
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 14:12:55
February 23 2012 14:12 GMT
#51
On February 23 2012 23:10 JonnyClark wrote:
suprised at the reactions on here. i played random for a few seasons just so i could understand each race better. i never really got a lot of BM, maybe it's because i didn't really cheese

I play random now for about 2 1/2 seasons and there were quite some funny stories.
My favorite:
Game begins.
Me:"Good luck and have fun buddy"
<instert name> has left the game.

edit: he started mining+splitting his workers :D
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
February 23 2012 14:13 GMT
#52
when i played random to unlock the 500 random win portrait (mutalisk) i cheesed almost every game. When i met another random player, they cheese almost every game.


people dont like cheesing, people flame random players
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ScaryOlive
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada121 Posts
February 23 2012 14:13 GMT
#53
I really don't understand why the random player is hidden.

When You play against a random player, it should not show random in the loading but the race you will be playing in the game so the game start with both player on the same level.

Random is not a race, it's the randomnisation of the race you play.

To be fair, another solution would be that the Random player dosent see your race when the game is loading, but that would be ridiculous...
Be Careful with that axe Eugene...
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
February 23 2012 14:14 GMT
#54
Random is inconvenient for the opponent, so instead of using their brain to play, they decide to whine. Lots of randoms "cheese", so what? So do lots of zergs and lots of terrans and lots of protosses. And even if randoms do "cheese" more often, why aren't you embracing practice vs cheese? Whiners will always whine, and if they have nothing to whine about they'll just make it up.

Whatever advantage a random player has in the first 40 seconds of the game is lost several-fold in the next minutes because of lack of practice in that particular MU. Play the game or quit if you don't like it.
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
February 23 2012 14:14 GMT
#55
On February 23 2012 23:12 bouhko wrote:
[...] I'm sure we'd see pro random, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Because a lot of tournaments don't accept it !
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 23 2012 14:15 GMT
#56
On February 23 2012 23:13 ScaryOlive wrote:
I really don't understand why the random player is hidden.

When You play against a random player, it should not show random in the loading but the race you will be playing in the game so the game start with both player on the same level.

Random is not a race, it's the randomnisation of the race you play.

To be fair, another solution would be that the Random player dosent see your race when the game is loading, but that would be ridiculous...

I would actually like that more then the current situation. The ideal situation would be however to see "Random: Zerg. He will 6pool you." in 99.99% of the cases that would be correct and I can just start with my Forge first.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
February 23 2012 14:15 GMT
#57
the problem with most random players is that they can't actually play any of the races properly so they cheese and because they are random it is harder to prepare for it (6 pool or 2 rax or proxy gates)

i don't like random players who play like that either tbh
and if i meet a random player who plays straight up i usually win because they are almost never as good with their race as i am with mine

i used to play random as well since i had played all 3 races (250 wins with each) but i really hated the way random feels because you can never decied what strategy you will play before a game
so i eventually settled on zerg and now i hate my decision because i always lose to toss xD
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 23 2012 14:16 GMT
#58
On February 23 2012 23:14 VelJa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 23:12 bouhko wrote:
[...] I'm sure we'd see pro random, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Because a lot of tournaments don't accept it !

Can you name a single one? (with a link to the rules)

I do know that some tournaments at the time didn't allow racepicking but that also seems to have faded away.
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
February 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#59
This should be the last thing random players should worry about. They have to use their skill and play 3 different races and i truly commend people who play random. Wasting time and thought on "wow this guy bmed me" is just a wasted effort. Let them be, and take their ladder points.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 14:19:43
February 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#60
On February 23 2012 23:13 ScaryOlive wrote:
I really don't understand why the random player is hidden.

When You play against a random player, it should not show random in the loading but the race you will be playing in the game so the game start with both player on the same level.

Random is not a race, it's the randomnisation of the race you play.

To be fair, another solution would be that the Random player dosent see your race when the game is loading, but that would be ridiculous...

Why is that? People try to equal things out by saying the random player has an advantage because the enemy needs to scout. But on the other hand you ppl ignore the fact that the player needs to play every race somewhat decent.
And I'm not talking about randoming in <gold league.
You argue they don't start on the same level with the hidden race thingy? I argue that they won't when you would show the race.

edit:
On February 23 2012 23:15 sVnteen wrote:
the problem with most random players is that they can't actually play any of the races properly so they cheese and because they are random it is harder to prepare for it (6 pool or 2 rax or proxy gates)

This is so funny ... you talk about what leagues?
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