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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:16 See.Blue wrote: SC2 now is about where SC1 was 2-3 years after release. Gotta be patient, G. Oh you mean SC1 at 2000-2001? Wasn't that the the time when the replay function was introduced for the first time? | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
1. Denial. It's not a secret to anyone now that the BW teams are going to switch at some point, but it looks like 90% people having posted here are in total denial. 2. Hate towards SC2 (which explains the denial). I don't get it, everytime there is a thread related to both BW and SC2, there is a huge hate from the BW people towards SC2. I personnally like both games, and even if SC2 is obviously not as mechanically hard to play, I like watching it. Even if some people don't like it, they can just respect it, and stop the ridiculous elitism. EDIT: just looking at people's quotes/signatures proves a really weird hate. It's not that people are obsessed by BW, they are obsessed by hating SC2 1Eris1 : "I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists." -Midas Ideas: BW is the only esport. gogo STX/Bogus/Calm/Jaedong/Kal fabiano: The biggest mistake of Starcraft 2 is to be named after the greatest of all games: Starcraft: Broodwar blubbdavid:A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD ¦¦ ESPHURRRDS != Starcraft | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:16 See.Blue wrote: SC2 now is about where SC1 was 2-3 years after release. Gotta be patient, G. I've to be patient until when? 3-4 years after LotV? Too long  The hate is not towards mechanics, but design flaws, especially unit designs. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:46 shalafi wrote: Meh, if there aren't BW matches the scene dies for me. It would be the same as if they just stopped playing. Luckily I have acquired enough hobbies not to miss pro-gaming. Sadly, it's the same for me. E-sports, for all its growth, hasn't really matured at all. It's still a thing for kids. As BW slows down, I'm steadily outgrowing the entire e-sports scene and moving back to watching more traditional sports. Most of my posts in the last few months here in TL are in the NFL and NBA threads. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
If you see a thing threatening the thing you love, then you will automatically develop hatred. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
Don't be too negative, we will see how this turns out | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:01 Crisium wrote: This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301720¤tpage=6#103 That's your insider information that allows you to state that it's not a "rumor"? That's an explanation I posted that only uses publicly available information as evidence, yeah. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On January 25 2012 03:53 Crisium wrote: Even us Broodwar fans can agree with this. OGN airing a LoL tournament is killing e-sports. Not all of us, I find LoL more fun to watch than SC2 | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
Good SC2 matches are great to watch , LOL gets viewers but its a borefest and WC3 is pretty much dead. FPS are also not fun to watch for me. Hots will make SC2 much better and blizzard may even introduce some kind of lan mode , the game is faster and much more appealing to masses than SC1 so if BW switches to SC2 it will be great for the game , SC2 is not so easy as some say and i really think that it requires as much skill as bw its just that some people dont really like changes, but so many things in the world change everyday ( laws and tech ) . We change for the better not for the worse | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7028 Posts
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darkmighty
Brazil48 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:55 DyEnasTy wrote: Popularity isnt the issue. Its game design. BW is far and away superior than SC2. The reason SC2 is popular is because its new with good graphics and its easy to play. Its different because when Blizzard release BW it made Starcraft better. Now with SC2 already being flamed for not being well designed (mostly by old school bw players), bliz is releasing an expansion that actually makes the game look worse. It looks more and more like C&C Tiberium Sun mixed with Transformers with a sprinkling of Starcraft lore to keep the Starcraft fans happy. edit: I walked away and thought of what really upsets me about the game more than battle hellions and warhounds, and thats the lack of LAN and no cross server play. I had friends that I could enjoy BW with from all over the planet after buying the game one time. I could also have all my friends come over (bringing pizza and soda too  ) to my house and LAN for hours on hours. I didnt have to have an internet connection to enjoy a game with my friends in my room. But I still want to be optimistic about SC2. So my opinion of what it needs: 1) get Dustin out 2) focus on what made BW the best rts ever made, and one of the best games ever made. 3) value more input from the fans who are not band wagoners who jump from new game to new game. Get insight on game features from people who care about the long term life of the game. 4) allow cross region play and consider some form of offline play. The older higher ups of Blizzard have most left now, after SC2 was published and is having, in their eyes, very good success. So Dustin will probably stick around for very long. I do think he tries very hard to honor BW, but he just isn't up to the level of the original Blizzard game designers, who basically created [a of part of] the PC gaming industry from scratch. If you look at HotS additions, they are mostly trying to address the "SC2 is inferior to BW" claims. Just look at the new units: A- Terran has basically what they think is a spidermine now, which should restore BW's "Terran map control" (oc it wont). The Battle Helion/Warhound are just a way to give Terran a "Mech Play" route, similar to BW's, in Blizzard's on view. B- Zerg has gained the Viper, which is a remake of the defiler, with an inferior Dark Swarm ability. The Swarm Host is just a shitty Lurker replacement. So they're trying to fix it, but they just lack the talent to get it right imo. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1838 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1078 Posts
It becoming SC2 Vs BW thread with all the SC2 ppl advertising how good their game is. Edit: Don't really think there is any point disucssing the rumour, time will tell. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On January 25 2012 05:12 HaFnium wrote: Hm.. Lock the thread? It becoming SC2 Vs BW thread with all the SC2 ppl advertising how good their game is. Edit: Don't really think there is any point disucssing the rumour, time will tell. It didn't help that all the BW fans bashed SC2 to high heaven early on in this thread.... | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1078 Posts
On January 25 2012 05:15 Zeroxk wrote: It didn't help that all the BW fans bashed SC2 to high heaven early on in this thread.... Well this is the BW forum how do u think ppl will react. Not to mention some SC2 dudes come here to bash BW. I would expect ppl bashing BW when i go to sc2 boards (although tbh i hid the forum and never go there lol) Anyways this thread is really meaningless wont post now | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:51 darkmighty wrote: The older higher ups of Blizzard have most left now, after SC2 was published and is having, in their eyes, very good success. So Dustin will probably stick around for very long. I do think he tries very hard to honor BW, but he just isn't up to the level of the original Blizzard game designers, who basically created [a of part of] the PC gaming industry from scratch. If you look at HotS additions, they are mostly trying to address the "SC2 is inferior to BW". Just look at the new units: A- Terran has basically what they think is a spidermine now, which should restore BW's "Terran map control" (oc it wont). The Battle Helion/Warhound are just a way to give Terran a "Mech Play" route, similar to BW's, in Blizzard's on view. B- Zerg has gained the Viper, which is a remake of the defiler, with an inferior Dark Swarm ability. The Swarm Host is just a shitty Lurker replacement. So they're trying to fix it, but they just lack the talent to get it right imo. Hey man, don't forget the new cool abilitys they introduced at Blizzcon! Viper also has the "GET OVER HERE!"-hook from Scorpion in Mortal Kombat, Banelings can MOVE underground while burrowed, you can actually upgrade Hydra speed at hive tech(!) AND Ultralisk can upgrade Charge and do some underground charge attack you would expect from some strenght hero in DotA/HoN. Oh yeah, you can actually build a assimilator in your opponents base and turn it into a cannon or something like that. It's like a mix of Starcraft, wc3, some MOBA game and C&C Red Alert 2 lol. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:52 Odoakar wrote: It's sad that people would rather see BW die than SC2 prosper. BW and SC2 scenes need to start working together, or soon enough there won't be any of them. MMO and MOBA games will eventually take over if the scene remains separated. +1. Sadly, the ensulting voices always seem to be much louder than the voices of reason. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
This is too depressing. + Show Spoiler + sad thing is, its very likely | ||
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