EPTBW rumors from an SC2 topic. - Page 16
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
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shalafi
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Luckily I have acquired enough hobbies not to miss pro-gaming. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:41 VManOfMana wrote: No, the thread is about incorporating SC2 by grooming new players. Incorporating SC2 does not mean switching BW players. People need to stop overthinking and overreacting. KeSPA is not just BW teams. Under KeSPA, SC2 success does not need killing BW. BW infrastructure can help grooming SC2 players. SC2 audience can bring fresh air to BW scene. Why have one successful league when you can have two? and think about it this way, if team 8 trains the best SC2 players, it can attract international sponsors that BW ALREADY attracts but now SC2 makes it lucrative enough for the companies to sponsor a whole team. Coca-Cola Pepsi Intel all have shown interest in both sc2 and BW, and if team 8 fields a good team for SC2 they can get a sponsor for their BW team as well, which means a very large amount of stability and permanence to proleague. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
OR BW is NOT ditched for SC2 in ProLeague.... Then that's acceptable. . . | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
On January 24 2012 20:20 SenorChang wrote: That's the idea, things need time to grow and mature - why would SC2 be any different? Broodwar didn't start out super popular, it grew to be that popular. Popularity isnt the issue. Its game design. BW is far and away superior than SC2. The reason SC2 is popular is because its new with good graphics and its easy to play. Its different because when Blizzard release BW it made Starcraft better. Now with SC2 already being flamed for not being well designed (mostly by old school bw players), bliz is releasing an expansion that actually makes the game look worse. It looks more and more like C&C Tiberium Sun mixed with Transformers with a sprinkling of Starcraft lore to keep the Starcraft fans happy. edit: I walked away and thought of what really upsets me about the game more than battle hellions and warhounds, and thats the lack of LAN and no cross server play. I had friends that I could enjoy BW with from all over the planet after buying the game one time. I could also have all my friends come over (bringing pizza and soda too  ) to my house and LAN for hours on hours. I didnt have to have an internet connection to enjoy a game with my friends in my room. But I still want to be optimistic about SC2. So my opinion of what it needs: 1) get Dustin out 2) focus on what made BW the best rts ever made, and one of the best games ever made. 3) value more input from the fans who are not band wagoners who jump from new game to new game. Get insight on game features from people who care about the long term life of the game. 4) allow cross region play and consider some form of offline play. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On January 24 2012 21:21 white_horse wrote: Why the SC2 community thinks that BW teams switching to SC2 is just a matter of time is beyond me. Why would kespa keep the move secret from all the current teams and then suddenly screw everyone by announcing the supposed switch this april? And SC2 fans keep suggesting that their scene is going to become so much better when all the A-class players and TBLS switch over, which is hilarious. Do you really think that the current generation of players will just shift places to SC2 and keep everything from rivalries to relative skill levels the same? More importantly, wishing that BW players will switch over to make the SC2 scene better implies that your agreeing that SC2 is currently in a terrible form without any outstanding SC2 player to make it more exciting then stupid death balls rolling around onscreen. Just wanted to say I like this post. First paragraph makes so much sense. Why indeed. Second paragraph is just an elephant. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 25 2012 02:52 Black[CAT] wrote: As long SC2 and BW are separate and not together played in a match OR BW is NOT ditched for SC2 in ProLeague.... Then that's acceptable. . . It's likely at this point, based on KeSPA's actions there will be BW proleague BW OSL SC2 Proleague, in order of importance to kespa. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:01 fabiano wrote: I wrote, deleted, rewrote, redeleted and wrote again this post again trying to keep it as little SC2 bashing as possible. For me, SC2 is horrible. It is a really good game if you compare to CnC and it is fun to play casually, but for someone who has been playing BW, watching competitive SC2 is awful, disgusting and I found myself facepalming at each new feature they added/removed from the game. It is enraging. But it is ok. I just stopped playing it, stopped following it and forgot about it, except the fact that I flushed US$60 down the toilet. I still have BW to play and to watch and everything is kind of okay, even if they ADD SC2 to Proleague its okay, I might even check a game someday to see if I change my mind. Now, if KeSPA slowly replace BW with SC2 then its just over. In my eyes, the era of the competitive eSports sinks with BW. We then will be hostages of Browder's 'creative mind'. gg That's also, what I think, I played it a little, didn't like it, and ignored the scene since I still got my BW and TL lets me hide the SC2 sections <3 Also, I want to add that forcing BW players to switch is almost insulting for them. It's exactly like asking Formula 1 players to go compete in karting for whatever reason. "Oh you guys were pretty good at that, so it should be easy for you to switch". Sure it is easy. Will players enjoy it ? A few of them may, after they won a GSL ezpz. Most of them won't. Ask Midas for example. He preferred to retire than switching to SC2. "After playing SC2, I could not believe such an easy game existed" -Midas Oh and fabiano, you should have put more '''''''''' around 'creative mind'. | ||
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hydrogg
United States377 Posts
According to this guy, LOL is going to be in Proleague. Starts at 9:10 I don't know how legitimate this guy is since i don't follow LOL though, just saw it while browsing Reddit. If it's true though it could explain the PC upgrades, etc. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On January 25 2012 03:37 hydrogg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEyYegQSfZk&t=9m10s According to this guy, LOL is going to be in Proleague. Starts at 9:10 I don't know how legitimate this guy is since i don't follow LOL though, just saw it while browsing Reddit. If it's true though it could explain the PC upgrades, etc. Are you saying BW pros could start practising LoL ? Can you imagine jaedong playing LoL? I don't, jesus, that would be like THE worst thing on the world. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On January 25 2012 00:58 Vul wrote: How can you be sure? And can you give us anymore details, especially whether you're referring to entire teams? The OP and others seem to think that we're only talking about C-teamers practically, and maybe some B-teamers who actually do play BW pretty well, but not many. I will be excited either way. Because former BW players have been so successful in SC2, many SC2 fans respect the top BW players like Jaedong even though they don't watch them. Even if players of that top caliber don't switch to SC2, it'll be cool to see SC2 players playing in the same practice house and environment as Jaedong, Bisu, Flash, etc. Maybe the same practice environments that produced those players can produce some excellent SC2 players. Also maybe it would give SC2 more legitimacy in KR if BW teams had SC2 teams? Obviously it would help a ton if big names switched to SC2, but I still don't believe that yet. I wrote more than enough about this subject. I'm sure you can find at least a few posts where I talk about it o.o | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On January 25 2012 00:56 Acer1791 wrote: cant believe why so many people like lol more than sc2.. sc2 is much more competitive than lol. its clear to say bw>sc2>lol Even us Broodwar fans can agree with this. OGN airing a LoL tournament is killing e-sports. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1749 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On January 24 2012 21:21 white_horse wrote: Why the SC2 community thinks that BW teams switching to SC2 is just a matter of time is beyond me. Why would kespa keep the move secret from all the current teams and then suddenly screw everyone by announcing the supposed switch this april? What makes you think that the rumored plan is being kept secret from the current teams? The notion that KeSPA, an organization composed of proteam sponsors, could somehow keep secrets from itself doesn't even make sense. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On January 25 2012 03:50 Milkis wrote: I wrote more than enough about this subject. I'm sure you can find at least a few posts where I talk about it o.o This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301720¤tpage=6#103 That's your insider information that allows you to state that it's not a "rumor"? | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On January 25 2012 03:50 Milkis wrote: I wrote more than enough about this subject. I'm sure you can find at least a few posts where I talk about it o.o I drift in and out of in the know about esports drama, but damn dude. Glad to see you're still hangin around these parts.  | ||
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FatkiddsLag
United States413 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:04 FatkiddsLag wrote: Eventually bw will dwindle away and sc2 will take over. In my opinion the sooner the better, but its going to happen. The best thing to do is not be so resistant and help support the scene. It's times like these that we must remember not everyone is as blessed as we are. Some people know nothing of the greatness that is modern Broodwar and its players such TBLS and Fantasy, Bogus, JangBi, ZerO, SK, etc., and we should pity these people. FatkiddsLag, do you want our help? We can link you some of the greatest VOD's of all time (or modern time) if you like. Just say the word, we are here for you. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:14 fabiano wrote: SC2 wont have my support until they make it at least as 90% as good as BW, which might mean never. SC2 now is about where SC1 was 2-3 years after release. Gotta be patient, G. | ||
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