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Bully Victim stabbed Bully to Death - Page 7
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LuisArcadia
Brazil16 Posts
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Katzenaal
Germany194 Posts
do you really expect this kid to have a better life now? he hasn't just to life with the burden of having killed someone (which easily could fuck him up completely) he also have to life with the treatement of the other kids at school (and everywhere else) which see him as a killer now... really sad... there were at least one and a half lifes destroyed that day... | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:00 Detwiler wrote: Please he had the knife to stab the bully not general self defense. This case is pretty clear cut. He got off because hes a child. If a grown man had done this to another man it would be premeditated murder no question. Yeah obviously he couldn't of had the knife to try and deter the kid from hitting him or anything. How this murderer got away with slaying this innocent victim is beyond me. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
Source I certainly feel no sympathy for the bully not because he was a bully but rather he was just asking for it. The victim could've easily ended the conflict by threatening him with the knife, but in hindsight, maybe the bully would've retaliated with weapons also. I certainly hope the victim can move on with his life like a normal person. With the way he managed the situation, I'm sure he had no initial intent of harming the bully. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20017 Posts
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Another story on the events in question. On January 10 2012 16:09 decafchicken wrote: There's only two reasons for a knife. 1.) Collecting, and 2.) self-defense. I almost got mugged one night walking to my car on campus, and well, if I'm gonna get mugged, the fucker is gonna bleed. Yeah, I have that mentality of where I refuse to go down without taking someone else down with me. Cooking and whittling come to mind  | ||
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Defeat
United States476 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:03 Divinek wrote: Great ruling, glad to see there was enough evidence to give judges and such an accurate representation of the situation. You put anyone in that kid's shoes and they're going to do the same thing. I wish more kids in such situations would do this, if only to bring attention to the situation and force adults into thinking of better solutions. I mean if you treat another kid this poorly, for no tangible reason, then you really shouldn't be overly mad if he stabs you Agreed. I'm actually hoping this happens a few more times so either the bullies start thinking twice or harsher punishment to the bully. | ||
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Vilonis
United States130 Posts
I think people underestimate the severity of mental and emotional torment. Too often I see the attitude of, "Just don't do it", "Get over it", "Stop being so weak". More specifically, "Just stop being depressed", "Why don't you just not let it bother you?" (OCD), or a lack of understanding of how someone could be insane, "Why don't you just realize that shit isn't real?". FUCKING STOP IT. Getting over depression is like getting over a broken arm. You don't just do it. I don't have personal experience with depression, but my brother did go fucking insane for a few days (long story, I won't go into it now, but it involved drugs + A.I.D.S. medicine, which is pretty strong, and lots of other stuff). The recount of his mental state was nothing short of horrifying. It was completely consuming and indistinguishable from reality (but way more fucked up). I'm sure everyone has had a panic attack in the middle of the night because you felt trapped. Maybe it was a relationship, maybe it was in life. It sucks. I mean, I hope this has happened to other people. Feeling trapped is terrible. A great example is research that involves people in complete isolation for long amounts of time. After a few days, your mental state isn't so great. And by not so great I mean awful. Breakdown, panic attacks, all kinds of weird shit happens. If only the person in isolation just got over it, right? ------------------- Okay, now for the thread. This kid endured a year of oppression and fear of physical abuse, sprinkled with actual physical abuse. Being abused for a week can have serious long term detriment on your life. A year would be a nightmare (that you couldn't wake up from for a year). Saying he should have just sucked it up and carried on is fucking retarded. (Please take note that I didn't justify him stabbing anyone. Thank you) Edit: Hit post instead of preview before it was ready. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:10 Moosy wrote: I wonder how the bullys parents feel probably unaware that their son even took part in such things. Killing + death penalty etc is pretty stupid. Parents probably didn't care or may even have secretly liked their son being a bully, what else can you do if your son isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed? | ||
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ChaoticBlack
Australia288 Posts
On January 10 2012 15:32 FJ wrote: I agree, bullying sometimes goes on behind the teachers backs. A kid in my school was always bullied by a couple of kids. He was quiet and stuck to himself and only had one friend and the other kids were always up to no good. The kid seemed nice, just a recluse who lived a poor life with his mom, but he was different because he had a rich family somewhere else. One day, news spread that he was going to get beat up again after school by those guys. Stupidly, we did nothing about it, we just waited for school to finish and then went to take a side seat at the action. He was playing basket ball and the two kids beat the shit out of him on the basketball court. Afterwards, we never saw him again. At that age, of course rumor was he died, but he probably moved away with family. I hope it was to somewhere nice. Just shows, unless the teacher knows they can't stop it, and it's hard to know. I think the main reason people blame the school is due to their failure in providing a comfortable environment where the bully victim or a witness can go to talk to a teacher before it escalates. Though I admit, creating this sort of environment is difficult so I don't really place that much blame on the school unless like you said a teacher knew about this and failed to stop. | ||
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:07 Subversive wrote: Yeah obviously he couldn't of had the knife to try and deter the kid from hitting him or anything. How this murderer got away with slaying this innocent victim is beyond me. Dude you can't go stab everyone that gives you shit. It's not how the world works. I'm not saying bullying fine. I'm saying he shouldn't have brought a knife and killed him is all. I mean if he had the balls to bring a knife he should have had the balls to fight him. At least nobody would have been killed. One families life is shattered cause they lost their child and the other kid is probably messed up for life cause he stabbed some one to death. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:12 forgottendreams wrote: Parents probably didn't care or may even have secretly liked their son being a bully, what else can you do if your son isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed? Apparently his parents were divorced and the bully moved from one school to another to prevent bullying dealt to him. Apparently they weren't too concerned or somehow didn't hear about the fights he got into at school before this whole event happened. Bad set of events, IMO. | ||
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
At this point it is simply a matter of how these bullying incidents can be better prevented to provide a safer environment for students. | ||
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nennx
United States310 Posts
when did our society get so fucked up that it became ok to kill someone who was picking on you if columbine happened today, those guys would have been victims rather than criminals in this mindset that we're in | ||
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Shymon
United States620 Posts
So now let's step back and look at this if it was happening to an adult. This wouldn't be a thread, this would be a guy threatens another, jumps him leaving no avenue of escape (there was a ring of kids) and the would be assaulter gets stab for his criminal efforts. Does anyone care at all in this case? is this still murder to the people who would claim as such in this thread? This was NOT name calling, this was pre-meditated assault with intent to harm. This was a serious crime. This had elevated itself way beyond petty bullying by the bully himself. there are repercussions to actions in life and being a teenager is no excuse to commiting violent crime, nor is it too young to suffer the defensive reactions of his target. In short, what the bully did was the reprehensible thing, NOT the boy who stabed him. | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:14 Detwiler wrote: Dude go can't go stab everyone that gives you shit. It's not how the world works. I'm not saying bullying fine. I'm saying he shouldn't have brought a knife and killed him is all. I mean if he had the balls to bring a knife he should have had the balls to fight him. At least nobody would have been killed. One families life is shattered cause they lost their child and the other kid is probably messed up for life cause he stabbed some one to death. You obviously have no idea about what you're talking about. You have no idea what happens to a person that is forced to endure physical and psychological torment over a prolonged period of time. Fight back? What world do you live in where a gang of bullies aren't going to manhandle another person who hits their friend? When a weapon is involved the dynamics change completely. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:18 Shymon wrote: This seems purely cut and dry here, legaly and moraly. The bully announced his intent to harm the boy and then actually carried out said threat, thereby commiting a serious crime. I belive that level of assault it a felony but i am not a lawyer so don't take that as 100% true. How is this cut and dry? Nothing is black and white, and this issue I'm sure was especially messy at the time it happened. | ||
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Vilonis
United States130 Posts
On January 10 2012 16:17 nennx wrote: there is no justification for stabbing someone to death unless someone is actually going to kill you -- this was not going to happen, regardless of what the kid thought or not. when did our society get so fucked up that it became ok to kill someone who was picking on you if columbine happened today, those guys would have been victims rather than criminals in this mindset that we're in Excuses me... WHAT? The columbine kids were not bullied. IF the had been, which they were not, AND IF they had only shot the one person that was bullying them, then yes, it the logic in this thread would make them victims because it would be the same thing. But they weren't bullied, they killed 15 people not 1, and why would you even bring this up? By the way, if you actually want to know what happened at Columbine, I suggest this guy's book | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote: what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it lol call the cops and he'll get bullied WAY harder. | ||
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