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On January 10 2012 15:53 Thermia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:47 Zooper31 wrote:On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote:
what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it So you expected him to call the police about someone bullying him? I'm pretty sure he's tried talking to his parents and school officials trying to get this problem solved and they did nothing. Calling the police would do absolutely nothing as they have better things to do than bother with bullies in school. He brought the knife out of self defense because he knew he was going to be beaten by several people at once. Same reason people get permits to carry guns and mace, self defense. On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I'd rather stab more times than was needed than stab too few and now have an incredibly pissed off bully who can overpower me and kill me in return with his rage while his friends watch. I don't think a 16 year old high school bully who had already been stabbed a few times would be coming back for more in a hurry. A knife is a pretty serious escalation over just fists (granted, the bully had pals, but they clearly didn't do much when there was a knife in play).
He'd been tormented for a year by these same kids, I imagine you'd be in a pretty piss poor state of mind about that.
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Although I believe the bully didn't deserve to be killed, his actions definately created the situation he put himself in. If you don't want to be in a stupid situation, stop being stupid and stop putting yourself in it. Can't argue to what already happened, we can only to argue what to do to prevent another possible occurence.
If a burglar or thief continues to commit crimes, one day that criminal may meet someone that is not afraid to retaliate back and injure or kill the criminal.
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On January 10 2012 15:51 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:50 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it. Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way. The blade of justice? That's not a pun.... reaching there.
I think we should just cut this kid some slack. He was pushed to the point and cut his way out of a bad situation. If we just slice away the moral fabric surrounding the issue, he was justified, however murder isn't right.
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This reminds me of that one time a kid threw that other kid onto the ground and broke his leg, resulting in a viral video...
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Carrying knives in some parts of this country is common sense. My current location has people with knives, just in case someone tries to mug them at night. Happens about once a week, armed robbery does...police are apparently too slow to catch the perpetrators most of the time.
One of my old teachers used to talk about teaching in Illinois (I think). He said that children used to throw themselves flat on the ground whenever a car backfired, gunfire was that common in the area...
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On January 10 2012 15:57 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:55 Detwiler wrote:On January 10 2012 15:26 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:22 askTeivospy wrote:On January 10 2012 15:20 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen I don't know. I don't like violence, but I ask myself if I think this kid would have killed someone if he hadn't of been threatened/attacked and my gut answer is no. Also told someone? What "someone is going to hurt me" .... and then what? They're not going to arrest the bully -_-. Judge found it was self-defence. Which sounds to me like it was an unlucky swipe/stab with the knife from a frightened 14yo who shouldn't have been placed in the situation in the first place. ok so the best solution to bullying is for the victim to murder the bully? calling names and throwing punches are on a much lower level than *stabbing and killing* someone It's hard to feel sympathy for someone tormenting someone else and then dying. If it turns out that the kid who was being bullied deliberately set out to murder the other kid then obviously he's the villain. If he was forced into a horrible situation then I feel sorry for both him and the deceased. He obviously set out to kill him the knife didnt magically appear in his hand. Or he carried the knife for defence. You can't say someone being in possession of a weapon equals intent. By this reasoning the NRA is full of soon to be murderers.
Please he had the knife to stab the bully not general self defense. This case is pretty clear cut. He got off because hes a child. If a grown man had done this to another man it would be premeditated murder no question.
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On January 10 2012 15:57 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:55 Detwiler wrote:On January 10 2012 15:26 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:22 askTeivospy wrote:On January 10 2012 15:20 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen I don't know. I don't like violence, but I ask myself if I think this kid would have killed someone if he hadn't of been threatened/attacked and my gut answer is no. Also told someone? What "someone is going to hurt me" .... and then what? They're not going to arrest the bully -_-. Judge found it was self-defence. Which sounds to me like it was an unlucky swipe/stab with the knife from a frightened 14yo who shouldn't have been placed in the situation in the first place. ok so the best solution to bullying is for the victim to murder the bully? calling names and throwing punches are on a much lower level than *stabbing and killing* someone It's hard to feel sympathy for someone tormenting someone else and then dying. If it turns out that the kid who was being bullied deliberately set out to murder the other kid then obviously he's the villain. If he was forced into a horrible situation then I feel sorry for both him and the deceased. He obviously set out to kill him the knife didnt magically appear in his hand. Or he carried the knife for defence. You can't say someone being in possession of a weapon equals intent. By this reasoning the NRA is full of soon to be murderers.
It just matter oh how the fight went and if at a point the bullies tried to surrender or run in my book although it varies by the state to what counts as self defense. What i thought first was where did he get the knife, was he carrying it the whole time or picked it up at school.
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On January 10 2012 15:41 Phyrigian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:39 Motivate wrote:
Seems like the bully got what he deserved. It's unfortunate the way things turned out, but he did threaten another person with physical violence and it's likely that the school did absolutely nothing to make him feel more safe.
Schools always say they're "against bullying" and have a "strict no tolerance" policy, but speaking as a person who was physically bullied in middle school and had to settle the matter with violence, they really don't put any effort into stopping it.
At least the courts finally made a good call in the face of a difficult choice. jesus how immature are some of the people on TL? how in any way does a person deserve to die for bullying someone? build a bridge, get over your childhood bullying experiences and grow up rather than justifying manslaughter over the internet.
The funny thing is most of my life I would call myself the bully. I don't think I fully apologized to everyone I have ever bullied either. I've apologized to quite a few though.
Anyway, I've seen and done plenty of bullying myself. Heck, I did extensive research on the subject and toured all across Canada in shows on it.
We have no idea what was going on or what took place other than the stabbing.
Those kids were only 14. Pretty pivotal moment in anyone's life and not fully mature. The child in question must have been tormented for a pretty long time and felt like he had no one to talk to. Once he got surrounded and it came to physical blows he snapped and stabbed the guy multiple times. He couldn't handle the situation and he lost control. For him he saw no way out.
This is why you shouldn't be bullying people as you cannot control them. No matter how big or small. Fuck, the kid could have got hold of a gun and it could have been worse.
You can only control how you treat others and hopefully there is a positive outcome. Doesn't mean you have to get along with everyone. Just don't go around starting shit.
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On January 10 2012 15:57 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:53 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:47 Zooper31 wrote:On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote:
what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it So you expected him to call the police about someone bullying him? I'm pretty sure he's tried talking to his parents and school officials trying to get this problem solved and they did nothing. Calling the police would do absolutely nothing as they have better things to do than bother with bullies in school. He brought the knife out of self defense because he knew he was going to be beaten by several people at once. Same reason people get permits to carry guns and mace, self defense. On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I'd rather stab more times than was needed than stab too few and now have an incredibly pissed off bully who can overpower me and kill me in return with his rage while his friends watch. I don't think a 16 year old high school bully who had already been stabbed a few times would be coming back for more in a hurry. A knife is a pretty serious escalation over just fists (granted, the bully had pals, but they clearly didn't do much when there was a knife in play). He'd been tormented for a year by these same kids, I imagine you'd be in a pretty piss poor state of mind about that.
Agreed, the bullied kid isn't in the most logical state of mind. FFS, he brought the knife to school because he thought the after-school thrashing by those bullies warranted that self-defense. I'd be in a state of panic.
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On January 10 2012 16:00 FJ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:51 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:50 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it. Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way. The blade of justice? That's not a pun.... reaching there. I think we should just cut this kid some slack. He was pushed to the point and cut his way out of a bad situation. If we just slice away the moral fabric surrounding the issue, he was justified, however murder isn't right.
I don't know. I think some of these are razor-thin and a bit of a stab in the dark, but overall I appreciate your efforts.
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It's a shame it had to happen, and really sad for the kid as it is sure to follow him for a long time, but he did what he had to do and there is no one to blame but the bullying party in my opinion.
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Great ruling, glad to see there was enough evidence to give judges and such an accurate representation of the situation. You put anyone in that kid's shoes and they're going to do the same thing. I wish more kids in such situations would do this, if only to bring attention to the situation and force adults into thinking of better solutions. I mean if you treat another kid this poorly, for no tangible reason, then you really shouldn't be overly mad if he stabs you
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On January 10 2012 16:03 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 16:00 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:51 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:50 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it. Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way. The blade of justice? That's not a pun.... reaching there. I think we should just cut this kid some slack. He was pushed to the point and cut his way out of a bad situation. If we just slice away the moral fabric surrounding the issue, he was justified, however murder isn't right. I don't know. I think some of these are razor-thin and a bit of a stab in the dark, but overall I appreciate your efforts.
Yeah, I'm running dry now.......knife.
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On January 10 2012 15:22 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:14 KryptoStorm wrote:On January 10 2012 15:11 acker wrote:On January 10 2012 15:10 KryptoStorm wrote:
Bullying *sigh*. I can't even begin to try to explain how much I hate bullying, but more specifically to this case, some may see it as justice, i'm kind of on the line, yes the bully deserved something, but I would rather see him educated on the seriousness of bullying and the effects it can have on people rather than being murdered. Failure of the authorities, not the kid in question, IMO. And before that, the parents of the bully in question. Still true, though. I blame parents most of the time, ofcourse some people are born 'different/disturbed/blablabla' but it is up to their parents to help them.. A parent cannot help their child when they are unaware of what's going on. It's all about communication. Even if they noticed something was wrong with the boy it would probably still be hard to get an answer out of him as to what was really going on especially at his age.It's not so simple and straight forward as you make it out to be. The kid probably thought he had no outs. He was backed in a corner. Not fun being stuck in a corner. This was obviously going on for sometime as he was carrying a concealed weapon. What's the morale of the story? Stop bullying people. Treat them like you would want to be treated and everything is strawberries.
Isn't that a just a nicer way of saying parents failed to realize their kid was a bully or being bullied? Key word there being failed? I mean unless the guy had some serious psychological issues aka a budding sociopath or the like, it's first and foremost the job of the parents to help fix this behavior. After that, it becomes an issue for the school and then the law. The fact that this whole thing went down the way it did is just so sad because literally everyone involved failed. Except for the kid with the knife.
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On January 10 2012 16:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:41 Phyrigian wrote:On January 10 2012 15:39 Motivate wrote:
Seems like the bully got what he deserved. It's unfortunate the way things turned out, but he did threaten another person with physical violence and it's likely that the school did absolutely nothing to make him feel more safe.
Schools always say they're "against bullying" and have a "strict no tolerance" policy, but speaking as a person who was physically bullied in middle school and had to settle the matter with violence, they really don't put any effort into stopping it.
At least the courts finally made a good call in the face of a difficult choice. jesus how immature are some of the people on TL? how in any way does a person deserve to die for bullying someone? build a bridge, get over your childhood bullying experiences and grow up rather than justifying manslaughter over the internet. The funny thing is most of my life I would call myself the bully. I don't think I fully apologized to everyone I have ever bullied either. I've apologized to quite a few though. Anyway, I've seen and done plenty of bullying myself. Heck, I did extensive research on the subject and toured all across Canada in shows on it. We have no idea what was going on or what took place other than the stabbing. Those kids were only 14. Pretty pivotal moment in anyone's life and not fully mature. The child in question must have been tormented for a pretty long time and felt like he had no one to talk to. Once he got surrounded and it came to physical blows he snapped and stabbed the guy multiple times. He couldn't handle the situation and he lost control. For him he saw no way out. This is why you shouldn't be bullying people as you cannot control them. No matter how big or small. Fuck, the kid could have got hold of a gun and it could have been worse. You can only control how you treat others and hopefully there is a positive outcome. Doesn't mean you have to get along with everyone. Just don't go around starting shit.
It never said he stabbed him multiple times, just that the fight was started by the bully, ended and the bully died
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On January 10 2012 16:04 FJ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 16:03 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 16:00 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:51 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:50 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it. Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way. The blade of justice? That's not a pun.... reaching there. I think we should just cut this kid some slack. He was pushed to the point and cut his way out of a bad situation. If we just slice away the moral fabric surrounding the issue, he was justified, however murder isn't right. I don't know. I think some of these are razor-thin and a bit of a stab in the dark, but overall I appreciate your efforts. Yeah, I'm running dry now.......knife.
Stabbity stab...
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On January 10 2012 16:01 semantics wrote:
It just matter oh how the fight went and if at a point the bullies tried to surrender or run in my book although it varies by the state to what counts as self defense. What i thought first was where did he get the knife, was he carrying it the whole time or picked it up at school.
Florida is the purest type of "stand your ground" there is. If someone tries to beat you up and you pull out a machine gun and riddle them with bullets, that still counts as self defense over there. No duty to retreat, according to some of the stuff on this case I'm reading.
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On January 10 2012 16:04 FJ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 16:03 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 16:00 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:51 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:50 FJ wrote:On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it. Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way. The blade of justice? That's not a pun.... reaching there. I think we should just cut this kid some slack. He was pushed to the point and cut his way out of a bad situation. If we just slice away the moral fabric surrounding the issue, he was justified, however murder isn't right. I don't know. I think some of these are razor-thin and a bit of a stab in the dark, but overall I appreciate your efforts. Yeah, I'm running dry now.......knife.
Where one innuendo ends... another begins.
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On January 10 2012 16:03 Divinek wrote:
Great ruling, glad to see there was enough evidence to give judges and such an accurate representation of the situation. You put anyone in that kid's shoes and they're going to do the same thing. I wish more kids in such situations would do this, if only to bring attention to the situation and force adults into thinking of better solutions. I mean if you treat another kid this poorly, for no tangible reason, then you really shouldn't be overly mad if he stabs you
Everyone isn't going to do the same thing. I was bullied. Plenty of people are bullied we didn't go stab some body a dozen times.
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i agree with the self defense verdict. blame the parents of the bully.
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