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On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote:
what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it
So you expected him to call the police about someone bullying him? I'm pretty sure he's tried talking to his parents and school officials trying to get this problem solved and they did nothing. Calling the police would do absolutely nothing as they have better things to do than bother with bullies in school. He brought the knife out of self defense because he knew he was going to be beaten by several people at once. Same reason people get permits to carry guns and mace, self defense.
On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that.
I'd rather stab more times than was needed than stab too few and now have an incredibly pissed off bully who can overpower me and kill me in return with his rage while his friends watch.
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On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it.
Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way.
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On January 10 2012 15:11 cpomz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home about anti-bullying. He was only acting self defense so it's ok. It was a sharp conclusion to his bullying. I don't think he will get bullied again. Nice puns FJ - schools should really try to cut out bullying and leverage families to intervene as well. In all seriousness though, this sort of thing has to be stopped - kids need to report it and have to believe that help will come from the school
FJ: Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way.
Pun-tastic. Im on the edge on this issue as well.
Anyhow, i think its find he gets a pass, but obviously like everyone said before, things shouldn't have went so far.
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I'm pretty sure he just cracked at the time he was threatened under all the threats and bullying and took things into his own hands, which ironically had a knife too. While it's wrong to kill people on impulse, given a year of being bullied, I'm not surprised that this happened.
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Bwuahahaha, owned. Don't mess with people...you never know what you're up against.
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On January 10 2012 15:50 FJ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:44 forgottendreams wrote:On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I feel the same way too, this entire situation really cuts both ways if you look more into it. Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way.
The blade of justice? That's not a pun.... reaching there.
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On January 10 2012 15:32 FJ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:24 OrangeSoda wrote:
why do people blame the schools? I don't see what they can do, watching for 250-2500 people( however many people you got at your school) is hard to do. It is easy to look at the situation and know what should of happened if you are out of highschool, but you gotta remember this is a kid still, and they still do stupid things. I agree, bullying sometimes goes on behind the teachers backs.
Don't you mean that bullying, the majority of the time goes on behind teacher's backs? If it didn't, (hopefully) it would be stopped.
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On January 10 2012 15:40 Kenpachi wrote:
:l..
Its a tricky situation, however carrying a knife is completely justified. I believe that you should keep 1 hidden just cause how useful it can be.
I hate this situation and reading some of these comments just piss me off.
no wait, i hate you all.
Completely agree with this, even if it's most likely technically against school rules, just the thought that someone could be carrying a weapon, even if it's only a 1-2 inch blade, would deter a lot of this bullshit that happens.
But, when I look at this, all I see is a young, immature kid who was backed into a corner by a douchebag and then, once he finally took enough punishment, rage and anger took over and he lashed out at the person who had been his source of torture. This is also why that kid was stabbed that many times, once, twice, or maybe five to six times would be justified self-defense after probably 18 at tops, but I like that the judge took into account his age with the 12(?) times that kid was stabbed.
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On January 10 2012 15:51 PikaXchU wrote:
I'm pretty sure he just cracked at the time he was threatened under all the threats and bullying and took things into his own hands, which ironically had a knife too. While it's wrong to kill people on impulse, given a year of being bullied, I'm not surprised that this happened.
It clearly says he was punched in the back of the head and hit multiple times. How the fuck is that killing someone on impulse? Can you not read?
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Very tragic story. 
Also, this is a thread I think I should stay out of.  Reading lots of stupid stuff here.
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On January 10 2012 15:47 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote:
what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it So you expected him to call the police about someone bullying him? I'm pretty sure he's tried talking to his parents and school officials trying to get this problem solved and they did nothing. Calling the police would do absolutely nothing as they have better things to do than bother with bullies in school. He brought the knife out of self defense because he knew he was going to be beaten by several people at once. Same reason people get permits to carry guns and mace, self defense. Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:42 Thermia wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home dohohohoho I'm not sure about this, I think it's okay for the bullied kid to defend himself but 12 stab wounds or whatever seems like a little bit much to get off scot-free with. I'm pretty sure the bully would have gotten the message with quite a few less than that. I'd rather stab more times than was needed than stab too few and now have an incredibly pissed off bully who can overpower me and kill me in return with his rage while his friends watch.
I don't think a 16 year old high school bully who had already been stabbed a few times would be coming back for more in a hurry. A knife is a pretty serious escalation over just fists (granted, the bully had pals, but they clearly didn't do much when there was a knife in play).
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Nice!! Stabbed the fucker to death. Pro!
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In junior high school, a classmate of mine stabbed another classmate with a pen, due to constant bullying. This little turd thought he was the funniest man in the world and would just rip this other kid to shreds -- humiliate him to no end, in front of anybody. Every insult in the book, completely callous.
You think there is authority? Sometimes the teacher would stop things when the bullying got too out of hand... maybe handed out a detention once or twice. But then -- sometimes she would just laugh. Sometimes the teachers are as dumb as every other kid in the classroom, and think piling on some poor kid is just good fun. "What kids do."
So this bullied kid one day quietly tells to the class, when the teacher is gone, that he is going to stab the other kid with a pen. Most of us roll our eyes, and the bully basically just laughs at it and calls him a psycho or something. Right after school - stab.
To this day, I don't blame him. He got in serious trouble, it wasn't really "self-defense". But it was, in my opinion. We force kids into their school environment. They're prisoners there, in some ways. You want to be a sadistic brat, and not respect others? Get shanked.
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On January 10 2012 15:07 firehand101 wrote:
he is only a kid, but still murder is murder
Murder is murder, but this isn't murder, it was ruled self-defense, and if the article is to be believed (I see no reason it shouldn't be), they had an enormous amount of evidence that this was the case.
The kid was being tormented and was being attacked, he defended himself. The bully got what he deserved. It's sad he died from the knife wound, but he should have known better at his age.
Murder has a specific legal definition. Killing =/= murder. Sometimes, killing, under the law, is justified.
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lol yeah... teachers say suck it up, kids go suicidal, homicidal or depressed. God damn teachers, seriously, no empathy some of them...
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On January 10 2012 15:26 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:22 askTeivospy wrote:On January 10 2012 15:20 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen I don't know. I don't like violence, but I ask myself if I think this kid would have killed someone if he hadn't of been threatened/attacked and my gut answer is no. Also told someone? What "someone is going to hurt me" .... and then what? They're not going to arrest the bully -_-. Judge found it was self-defence. Which sounds to me like it was an unlucky swipe/stab with the knife from a frightened 14yo who shouldn't have been placed in the situation in the first place. ok so the best solution to bullying is for the victim to murder the bully? calling names and throwing punches are on a much lower level than *stabbing and killing* someone It's hard to feel sympathy for someone tormenting someone else and then dying. If it turns out that the kid who was being bullied deliberately set out to murder the other kid then obviously he's the villain. If he was forced into a horrible situation then I feel sorry for both him and the deceased.
He obviously set out to kill him the knife didnt magically appear in his hand.
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On January 10 2012 15:39 Motivate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:26 Fix637 wrote:
Seems like the bully got what he deserved. It's unfortunate the way things turned out, but he did threaten another person with physical violence and it's likely that the school did absolutely nothing to make him feel more safe.
Schools always say they're "against bullying" and have a "strict no tolerance" policy, but speaking as a person who was physically bullied in middle school and had to settle the matter with violence, they really don't put any effort into stopping it.
At least the courts finally made a good call in the face of a difficult choice. jesus how immature are some of the people on TL? how in any way does a person deserve to die for bullying someone? build a bridge, get over your childhood bullying experiences and grow up rather than trying to justify manslaughter over the internet.
So you're the type of person who tells people to just get over being bullied, but get surprised when a victim acts desperately in a manner such as this?
Does your sympathy switch only turn on when someone's been murdered? How about also caring for the victim, and wanting to change the situation so that it never had to escalate to this in the first place? This is why I am also sympathizing for the victim who killed his abuser in self-defense. Again, I am not thinking about this in black-and-white. I think murdering is wrong, but his punishment shouldn't be that great, since it was in self-defense.
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On January 10 2012 15:50 Adaptation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:11 cpomz wrote:On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home about anti-bullying. He was only acting self defense so it's ok. It was a sharp conclusion to his bullying. I don't think he will get bullied again. Nice puns FJ - schools should really try to cut out bullying and leverage families to intervene as well. In all seriousness though, this sort of thing has to be stopped - kids need to report it and have to believe that help will come from the school Show nested quote + FJ: Exactly, I feel the blade of justice is balanced on a knife point over this issue, the justice is blured and not sharp. It could go either way.
Pun-tastic. Im on the edge on this issue as well. Anyhow, i think its find he gets a pass, but obviously like everyone said before, things shouldn't have went so far.
Whatever man, bullies often live on the edge in life and this time he paid for it, its called karma.
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Self-defence is self-defence, I agree with the decision.
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On January 10 2012 15:55 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:26 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:22 askTeivospy wrote:On January 10 2012 15:20 Subversive wrote:On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen I don't know. I don't like violence, but I ask myself if I think this kid would have killed someone if he hadn't of been threatened/attacked and my gut answer is no. Also told someone? What "someone is going to hurt me" .... and then what? They're not going to arrest the bully -_-. Judge found it was self-defence. Which sounds to me like it was an unlucky swipe/stab with the knife from a frightened 14yo who shouldn't have been placed in the situation in the first place. ok so the best solution to bullying is for the victim to murder the bully? calling names and throwing punches are on a much lower level than *stabbing and killing* someone It's hard to feel sympathy for someone tormenting someone else and then dying. If it turns out that the kid who was being bullied deliberately set out to murder the other kid then obviously he's the villain. If he was forced into a horrible situation then I feel sorry for both him and the deceased. He obviously set out to kill him the knife didnt magically appear in his hand.
Or he carried the knife for defence. You can't say someone being in possession of a weapon equals intent. By this reasoning the NRA is full of soon-to-be murderers.
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