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On January 10 2012 15:10 KryptoStorm wrote:
Bullying *sigh*. I can't even begin to try to explain how much I hate bullying, but more specifically to this case, some may see it as justice, i'm kind of on the line, yes the bully deserved something, but I would rather see him educated on the seriousness of bullying and the effects it can have on people rather than being murdered.
Failure of the authorities, not the kid in question, IMO. And before that, the parents of the bully in question.
Still true, though.
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On January 10 2012 15:06 FJ wrote:
He really drove the point home about anti-bullying. He was only acting self defense so it's ok. It was a sharp conclusion to his bullying. I don't think he will get bullied again.
Nice puns FJ - schools should really try to cut out bullying and leverage families to intervene as well.
In all seriousness though, this sort of thing has to be stopped - kids need to report it and have to believe that help will come from the school
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On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote:
what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it
Yah, the intent to survive and defend oneself after a whole year of both threats of and actual physical violence.
I'm sure when he's getting punched in the back of the head, he's perfectly able to stop time, run away a few hundred meters, then finally call the police.
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rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen
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On January 10 2012 15:11 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:10 KryptoStorm wrote:
Bullying *sigh*. I can't even begin to try to explain how much I hate bullying, but more specifically to this case, some may see it as justice, i'm kind of on the line, yes the bully deserved something, but I would rather see him educated on the seriousness of bullying and the effects it can have on people rather than being murdered. Failure of the authorities, not the kid in question, IMO. And before that, the parents of the bully in question. Still true, though.
I blame parents most of the time, ofcourse some people are born 'different/disturbed/blablabla' but it is up to their parents to help them..
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You can't say "bullying, that sucks doesnt give him reason to kill" do you say that to rape victims. Saavedra was just practicing modern day social cleansing. A+ for EFFORT haha
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On January 10 2012 15:14 Indez wrote:
You can't say "bullying, that sucks doesnt give him reason to kill" do you say that to rape victims. Saavedra was just practicing modern day social cleansing. A+ for EFFORT haha
rape victims don't know they're going to get raped, and comparing bullying to rape is a joke for many facts including that everyone gets bullied and bullies someone else (face it its true unless you like lying to yourself) and not everyone gets raped / rapes others
A kid died, their family is shattered likely. The kid may have been wrong for bullying someone but acting like murder is justified punishment for it makes me lol. are you immature or what?
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it's sad how slanted this article is towards the killer
i agree that he shouldn't be convicted of anything, but talking about how HIS family is devastated? please.
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On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen
I don't know. I don't like violence, but I ask myself if I think this kid would have killed someone if he hadn't of been threatened/attacked and my gut answer is no.
Also told someone? What "someone is going to hurt me" .... and then what? They're not going to arrest the bully -_-. Judge found it was self-defence. Which sounds to me like it was an unlucky swipe/stab with the knife from a frightened 14yo who shouldn't have been placed in the situation in the first place.
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If you are going to be a bully atleast practice your knife defense skills -_-
The kid was smart though, going the knife route over the gun route. Easy jail time with the gun.
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On January 10 2012 15:14 KryptoStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:11 acker wrote:On January 10 2012 15:10 KryptoStorm wrote:
Bullying *sigh*. I can't even begin to try to explain how much I hate bullying, but more specifically to this case, some may see it as justice, i'm kind of on the line, yes the bully deserved something, but I would rather see him educated on the seriousness of bullying and the effects it can have on people rather than being murdered. Failure of the authorities, not the kid in question, IMO. And before that, the parents of the bully in question. Still true, though. I blame parents most of the time, ofcourse some people are born 'different/disturbed/blablabla' but it is up to their parents to help them..
A parent cannot help their child when they are unaware of what's going on. It's all about communication. Even if they noticed something was wrong with the boy it would probably still be hard to get an answer out of him as to what was really going on especially at his age.
It's not so simple and straight forward as you make it out to be.
The kid probably thought he had no outs. He was backed in a corner. Not fun being stuck in a corner. This was obviously going on for sometime as he was carrying a concealed weapon.
What's the morale of the story? Stop bullying people. Treat them like you would want to be treated and everything is strawberries.
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On January 10 2012 15:20 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen I don't know. I don't like violence, but I ask myself if I think this kid would have killed someone if he hadn't of been threatened/attacked and my gut answer is no. Also told someone? What "someone is going to hurt me" .... and then what? They're not going to arrest the bully -_-. Judge found it was self-defence. Which sounds to me like it was an unlucky swipe/stab with the knife from a frightened 14yo who shouldn't have been placed in the situation in the first place.
ok so the best solution to bullying is for the victim to murder the bully? calling names and throwing punches are on a much lower level than *stabbing and killing* someone
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actually i read somewhere it was like 12 stab wounds or something not sure though
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On January 10 2012 15:21 Hall0wed wrote:
If you are going to be a bully atleast practice your knife defense skills -_-
The kid was smart though, going the knife route over the gun route. Easy jail time with the gun.
Stand your ground state. According to the article, "people can defend themselves if they feel threatened by any means necessary". So it's doubtful.
The article could be wrong, of course.
On January 10 2012 15:22 StarStruck wrote:
A parent cannot help their child when they are unaware of what's going on. It's all about communication. Even if they noticed something was wrong with the boy it would probably still be hard to get an answer out of him as to what was really going on.
It's not so simple and straight forward as you make it out to be.
Generally, parents instill a certain set of morals into their children, which become fairly concrete by the age of ten or so. It's clear that somewhere in the process, his parents failed in teaching him how to not be an asshole. Of course, the school takes part time duty in this after the age of six, so they bear some responsibility as well.
The other option, of course, is that the kid's genes were "pro-bully" or something.
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On January 10 2012 15:17 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:14 Indez wrote:
You can't say "bullying, that sucks doesnt give him reason to kill" do you say that to rape victims. Saavedra was just practicing modern day social cleansing. A+ for EFFORT haha rape victims don't know they're going to get raped, and comparing bullying to rape is a joke for many facts including that everyone gets bullied and bullies someone else (face it its true unless you like lying to yourself) and not everyone gets raped / rapes others A kid died, their family is shattered likely. The kid may have been wrong for bullying someone but acting like murder is justified punishment for it makes me lol. are you immature or what?
If everyone's a bully then you really have to stretch the definition. And even if we accept that as true, I've never threatened someone. And I think there are plenty of others who haven't. Physically threatening someone is disgusting.
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why do people blame the schools? I don't see what they can do, watching for 250-2500 people( however many people you got at your school) is hard to do. It is easy to look at the situation and know what should of happened if you are out of highschool, but you gotta remember this is a kid still, and they still do stupid things.
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On January 10 2012 15:23 iG.Forever wrote:
actually i read somewhere it was like 12 stab wounds or something not sure though
Kid probably freaked out and hit the panick button. I don't think he was anywhere near the proper mindset after being abused for so long. -_-
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On January 10 2012 15:23 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:17 askTeivospy wrote:On January 10 2012 15:14 Indez wrote:
You can't say "bullying, that sucks doesnt give him reason to kill" do you say that to rape victims. Saavedra was just practicing modern day social cleansing. A+ for EFFORT haha rape victims don't know they're going to get raped, and comparing bullying to rape is a joke for many facts including that everyone gets bullied and bullies someone else (face it its true unless you like lying to yourself) and not everyone gets raped / rapes others A kid died, their family is shattered likely. The kid may have been wrong for bullying someone but acting like murder is justified punishment for it makes me lol. are you immature or what? If everyone's a bully then you really have to stretch the definition. And even if we accept that as true, I've never threatened someone. And I think there are plenty of others who haven't. Physically threatening someone is disgusting.
Justifying murder is also disgusting
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Seems like the bully got what he deserved. It's unfortunate the way things turned out, but he did threaten another person with physical violence and it's likely that the school did absolutely nothing to make him feel more safe.
Schools always say they're "against bullying" and have a "strict no tolerance" policy, but speaking as a person who was physically bullied in middle school and had to settle the matter with violence, they really don't put any effort into stopping it.
At least the courts finally made a good call in the face of a difficult choice.
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On January 10 2012 15:12 askTeivospy wrote:
rofl at some of you for justifying this. he stabbed someone to death. HE KILLED SOMEONE. Bully or not he's a murderer, but its a dumb law and dumb laws are dumb
Are you really that delusional dear internet geniuses? If he was so forward thinking to bring of knife he should have been forward thinking enough to tell someone what was going to happen
Courts disagree with you who have a much better understanding of the law and the case 
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