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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 14 2011 16:56 GMT
#101
If Naniwa hadn't secured a Code-S spot there'd be no need to announce that he lost it
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 16:56 GMT
#102
On December 15 2011 01:56 hugman wrote:
If Naniwa hadn't secured a Code-S spot there'd be no need to announce that he lost it


The point is to set a precedent to show that these conducts are not tolerated.
Hydrox911
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom261 Posts
December 14 2011 16:56 GMT
#103
There were/are posts all over MLG about how Naniwas run did indeed EARN him a spot in Code S. Look them up.
No, Your Quote.
skyrunner
Profile Joined August 2009
371 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#104
It's called indian giving...

but i guess people are okay with it.
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#105
On December 15 2011 01:54 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:50 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:46 HappyChris wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Focuspants wrote:
The fact of the matter is, GSL didnt send players to Providence, and Slasher is saying that Providence wasnt involved in the exchange program. Clearly there was a lack of clarity on this issue, which is now being brought out due to this situation.

You are left with 2 options:

1) Believe the MLG employee, and the fact they say it wasnt prat of the exchange program, coupled with the fact that the GSL didnt send any representatives to the event.

or

2) Believe a bunch of annonymous forum posters, who are using articles, that are likely wrong because of the lack of clairty with the exchange program.

I choose to go with the information from the people directly involved with the companies responsible for the exchange program, rather than people looking at it from the outside.


Haha, Open you eyes. Anyone with a brain can actually see whats going on here. This hole incident is is starting to become so laughable

The annonymous forum posters as you call them are just linking statement and articles from MLG own site GomTV own site and reliable and well known news site.

Come on man lol

Perhaps instead of jumping to conclusions about who has half a brain you should wait for everything to come out... yah.. thats not as fun I guess.


Follow the money buddy all I got to say


People like you have nothing of substance to say, and drag down the general quality of threads. Please do some research, post something intelligent, at least say something funny to entertain us. Blindly arguing something because its what you 'believe' gets us nowhere. This incident in the grand scheme of things is very small. Why would the biggest SC2 organization in the east, and the biggest one in the west, risk their integrity, over some stupid drama surrounding 1 player?

Especially when it would be as easy as askign any of the players involved in the exchange program whether it existed or not? This event isnt worthy of a conspiracy, and you really need to relax.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#106
And here's more.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713&currentpage=226#4510
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#107
On December 15 2011 01:56 Hydrox911 wrote:
There were/are posts all over MLG about how Naniwas run did indeed EARN him a spot in Code S. Look them up.


And new information shows that those posts may be wrong. We just gotta wait to see more official posts.
BoggieMan
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
520 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#108
ok, so GOMTV isen't just the devil stealing his code s spot. Instead they are pointing out someone else from the group of deserving foreigners?. hmm seems alot more logical than some of the other posts. i guess thats okay, and naniwa will have to think twice before he dronerushes again... if the "rules" really don't allow litterally EVERY strategy. i mean, it was not his intention of being badmannered as many (koreans) have seen it as.
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#109
thx for the info

we all should know by now Koreans have morals and respect as very high values, so if we do something my fellow citizen would just laugh at, and they respond harshly, we should not be surprised at all, doing so is just stupid...
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:59:24
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#110
Can this thread be closed? Its based on Slasher's opinions who isn't even an MLG representative but rather works for their video department. Its misleading and most likely false (based on the multiple articles +kennigit in the other thread)

On December 15 2011 01:44 MLG_Adam wrote:

Slasher works for MLG in our video department. He is NOT a representative of the League. Any opinion or discussion from Slasher is solely opinion based.

mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#111
They should just have said it straight away like it is:

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, if we like him, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status"
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#112
On December 15 2011 01:54 Alvar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:45 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Alvar wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 Alvar wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:31 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:26 Alvar wrote:
What does Slasher have to do with this? He probably just missunderstood it himself?

So you are assuming that the posters here have more knowledge than Slasher why? Because it supports your views. Believe Slasher until proven otherwise by a credible source.

My views? you do not even know my views, I have no idea one way or the other, but all the evidence before Slashers twitter(?) says that Naniwa recieved the seed from providence, even statements from MLG.

Even the original statement from GOM said there was a seed from every pro circuit this year.

Others have posted that Gom didnt send Koreans. That in itself could be the very reason this exhcnage didnt exist for this tournament.

You might be right about this, but you are probably just guessing. I see no reason to go with only slashers twitter as evidence over all the other statements made before.

GOM might have changed their minds. I do feel the communication between MLG and GOM seem to have been horrible for all those statements to be made without any response from GOM or correction from GOM.

Slasher works for MLG and although he doesn't represent them he has a heck of a lot more knowledge about their "goings on" than you, me, or anyone else posting in this thread. Until someone contradicts him from MLG or GOM I would suggest that listening to the most credible source of information is wisest.

Well, as soon as someone else collaborates this I'm all aboard that this is how it is. I see no reason why it couldnt be equally plausible that Slasher missunderstood something though, considering the information that was available before contradicts him somewhat.

Still would make the communication between them laughable for allowing all those press releases to be released before.

I agree with that. However I will choose to currently lend more plausability to Slasher than to "HappyChris" or anyone else posting here until such time as an actual MLG head says he is wrong.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#113
On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:21 Laurens wrote:
from liquipedia:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence
"This was the first event where a non-korean was awarded Code S status. "

also:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NaNiwa#MLG_Providence_2011

and:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program
"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
"


There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis.


lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#114
It's so tragic that people don't realize that this is just a way for Gom to try to make this look less of a punishment than it is. First off, the result is still the same so I don't understand how it is any less of a punishment because of this. Second, why would they announce this as an afterthought? They even announced in a live broadcast that they are revoking Naniwas Code S spot. If he didn't have that spot in the first place, then why even make an announcement about it.

I'm losing more and more respect for Gomtv for every thing they do.
SuperNinja
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada33 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#115
I think its pretty common knowledge that he was gonna get the spot, but due to what he did at Blizzard Cup he didn't get it.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#116
On December 15 2011 01:57 skyrunner wrote:
It's called indian giving...

but i guess people are okay with it.

omg.... the posts get"better" and better.... really dude?
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#117
On December 15 2011 01:58 labbe wrote:
It's so tragic that people don't realize that this is just a way for Gom to try to make this look less of a punishment than it is. First off, the result is still the same so I don't understand how it is any less of a punishment because of this. Second, why would they announce this as an afterthought? They even announced in a live broadcast that they are revoking Naniwas Code S spot. If he didn't have that spot in the first place, then why even make an announcement about it.

I'm losing more and more respect for Gomtv for every thing they do.


Your first point is a mere speculation with no evidence. First the result may be the same, but it makes the punishment less harsh if Naniwa didn't have the spot in the first place and was just a candidate so it is a lesser punishment. Second they announced it so that players don't fuck around in their league anymore to set a precedent.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 17:02:08
December 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#118
Also, what many people aren't taking into account, GSL's format changed AFTER this exchange program was set in place. On GOM's little chart for their new layout it has 2 seeds set in place. It's safe to assume one was going to go to Naniwa for his performance at MLG, but then it got revoked. Along with that, Providence did have a different format than a regular MLG with no invited Korean's. Maybe MLG made a poor assumption off poor communication? I don't know, just tossing some other things out there that might help clear up this mess.


Edit:Grammar (All nighter because of papers) >.<
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45167 Posts
December 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#119
On December 15 2011 01:54 Juvant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:52 nam nam wrote:
How does this change anything? Are people arguing he wouldn't have gotten the Code S spot even if this hadn't happened? I think that's a fairly small chance unless gom was completely oblivious to what most people (including MLG's own news writers) was thinking.



The point is that they didn't take away an earned slot in the tournament, they took away an intended invite. The player failed to live up to the standards they would want of an invite, so they invited someone else.

It is a rather large difference in my opinion, regardless of which side of the argument you're on.


Ah, I see the difference. I think that's called being an Indian Giver (racism not intended). Giving a gift and then taking it back.

I would have thought that GOM would have wanted the best players in their tournament, not caring about how good-mannered they are... but I guess that's just something I disagree with them on. It's their tournament. Although, of course, they've allowed people in the past to play in the GSL who implement plenty of BM inside the game and out. Rituals, ceremonies, mannered units and structures, etc. Naniwa isn't unique.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
December 14 2011 17:01 GMT
#120
On December 15 2011 01:50 Focuspants wrote:
Ok so here is some logic for you. If you view information released by MLG as being reliable, then Slasher's (an MLG employee) twitter post can be seen as credible. The most recent information, is likely the most accurate, as they are dealing with this situation.

You cant claim a source to be reliable, and then claim it isnt relaible when it disagrees with your opinion. The likely answer, is that there was a misunderstanding about Providence amongst the community, because they didnt make it commonly known, that it was no longer part of the exchange program.

I have a brain, and I dont need you coming in here and trying to insult me, when you have made 3 or 4 similar posts in the multiple threads where you spell "whole", hole.

I am here to show what MLG has to say about the matter, and you question my intelligence, because I post a direct source to one of its employees messages to the community.

Please have a little more class.


I am sorry some people do that. As I said before, that is a good thread because it focuses on this particular issue. Let's leave our naniwa opinions out of it.

On your first paragraphs, though, I disagree. Obviously, a source is not reliable when it releases contradicting information. But it's not correct that the information released later is more accurate. Rules cannot be secret and revealed to the parties involved after the events are finished. Rules are always known in advance. That's why, in my opinion, any information ABOUT THE RULES, released for the first time today, is irrelevant. To believe that, I am sorry, but I REQUIRE a source that existed before the event.

I think this is at least reasonable. Everybody should make a conscious and continuous effort to preserve good faith between parties of the community, simple viewers included. And today's attempt to suddenly inform us about a rule that they just forgot to include in the rulebook in the first place, does not help towards that in my opinion.
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