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On December 15 2011 02:08 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:06 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far. Just wait and see Sure, I just think it's silly that people are telling me to "check my facts" if what I did is try to post the facts :< It's not like they have better facts.
the fact is that gsl made no announcement of them sending over koreans to play in mlg providence. no exchange program took place. why would gsl be obligated to hand out a code s spot.
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Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Gom's desicion makes more sense now
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I wish people would wait until Sundance came out and said his stuff because this conspiracy crap is stupid. And that is all it is up until someone credible truly shows their knowledge. As of now it just seems to me it is an "us versus them" mentality and that GOM must be lying.
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Why trust Liquipedia? Isn't it like anyone can edit it? That being said, Liquipedia editors probably got it directly from the MLG page.
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On December 15 2011 02:10 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:06 Focuspants wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Monasou wrote:
I guess this is alright..Still..The game itself didn't matter. He didn't think it mattered. It didn't matter. Whatever. Would've liked to see the match though ; /
Thats why the match mattered. Because you wanted to see it. At the end of the day, we pay for Naniwa to play, and we wanted to see the game. As a pro, he owes it to you, me, and everyone else to play. Naniwa owes nothing to you. You didn't pay him, you paid GomTV to entertain you. If GomTV makes bad rules that encourage players to not play their best, be mad at GomTV not Naniwa. Afterall you are paying GomTV.
Where does the money come from to pay him? Sponsors and US THE VIEWER. Do sponsors put money into tournaments nobody watches? Nope. Extremely naive if you think he owes the community nothing.
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On December 15 2011 02:11 HolydaKing wrote:Why trust Liquipedia? Isn't it like anyone can edit it? That being said, Liquipedia editors probably got it directly from the MLG page.
There's a fair amount of links posted where MLG etc. says Naniwa earned his spot. (Someone had a compilation, will edit if I find it.)
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On December 15 2011 02:10 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:06 Focuspants wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Monasou wrote:
I guess this is alright..Still..The game itself didn't matter. He didn't think it mattered. It didn't matter. Whatever. Would've liked to see the match though ; /
Thats why the match mattered. Because you wanted to see it. At the end of the day, we pay for Naniwa to play, and we wanted to see the game. As a pro, he owes it to you, me, and everyone else to play. Naniwa owes nothing to you. You didn't pay him, you paid GomTV to entertain you. If GomTV makes bad rules that encourage players to not play their best, be mad at GomTV not Naniwa. Afterall you are paying GomTV.
The point is that other players would have not done the same. We don't feel entitle to his entertaining us but he is entitle to a level of professionalism to GOM, other players, and himself.
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On December 15 2011 02:10 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:08 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:06 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far. Just wait and see Sure, I just think it's silly that people are telling me to "check my facts" if what I did is try to post the facts :< It's not like they have better facts. the fact is that gsl made no announcement of them sending over koreans to play in mlg providence. no exchange program took place. why would gsl be obligated to hand out a code s spot.
Possibly because every notable Korean was already going anyway? Providence had the biggest Korean player attendance of all the pro circuits, by quite a margin.
Again, you have no better facts than me. At least I was trying to come up with some sources. This whole thread is based on 1 tweet by Slasher, and a real MLG admin was quick to point out that Slasher knows nothing.
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On December 15 2011 01:59 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:57 skyrunner wrote:
It's called indian giving...
but i guess people are okay with it. omg.... the posts get"better" and better.... really dude?
great post, great argument. really shut me down there. youtube comments belong on youtube, not on a forum made for discussion.
Also, i have no idea why people would be trusting slaher rofl... how many times has he been spreading misinformation or just been flat out wrong... hilarious. Of course he has to vioce his opinion here haha
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On December 15 2011 02:12 Wedberg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:11 HolydaKing wrote:Why trust Liquipedia? Isn't it like anyone can edit it? That being said, Liquipedia editors probably got it directly from the MLG page. There's a fair amount of links posted where MLG etc. says Naniwa earned his spot. (Someone had a compilation, will edit if I find it.)
"Earned" as I said is a vague word. Think about it for a second.
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On December 15 2011 01:12 SnoLys wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:59 Derez wrote:
Can the thread title be renamed?
Seeing how Slasher (MLG representative and all) has stated that Nani wasn't actually awarded a code S slot for his providence performance, a more accurate title would be 'GomTV decides not to invite Naniwa to Code S January'. Is GOM trying to save face or did all this people got it wrong? From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionShow nested quote +Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recapShow nested quote +Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providenceShow nested quote +Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/Show nested quote +Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-hukShow nested quote +Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/Show nested quote +NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot.
So, all of this was a lie? Was Gom so nom-explicit about the invite from MLG Provicende that even MLG got things wrong???
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On December 15 2011 02:06 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. you clearly dont understand what exchange means. there were no players from korea seeded into any spot at providence, hence no exchange... im done with this not worth arguing over i have more important things to do
You don't see a problem in GOM only making the information public that naniwa had in fact, contrary to wideheld belief (which seems to include naniwa and his team..), not qualified for code S, until a day after the Nestea match and after publicly stating by twitter that "NaNiwa is baned 2012 GSL codeS Season#1 Seed. so, GamaniaSen is coming! #GSL #SC2"?
I think you need a lot of goodwill on GOMs behalf to come to any other conclusion than that GOM is trying to make a controversial decision seem less so.
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On December 15 2011 02:14 skyrunner wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:59 mrtomjones wrote:On December 15 2011 01:57 skyrunner wrote:
It's called indian giving...
but i guess people are okay with it. omg.... the posts get"better" and better.... really dude? great post, great argument. really shut me down there. youtube comments belong on youtube, not on a forum made for discussion.
Yah because calling GOM Indian givers isn't childish and "youtube" as you call it?
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On December 15 2011 02:14 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:10 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 02:08 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:06 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far. Just wait and see Sure, I just think it's silly that people are telling me to "check my facts" if what I did is try to post the facts :< It's not like they have better facts. the fact is that gsl made no announcement of them sending over koreans to play in mlg providence. no exchange program took place. why would gsl be obligated to hand out a code s spot. Possibly because every notable Korean was already going anyway? Providence had the biggest Korean player attendance of all the pro circuits, by quite a margin. Again, you have no better facts than me. At least I was trying to come up with some sources. This whole thread is based on 1 tweet by Slasher, and a real MLG admin was quick to point out that Slasher knows nothing.
Go look at the MLG Providence liquipedia page. Does it say anywhere on there that GSL sent over koreans to be SEEDED into the Winner's Bracket that were not already there? No. That is all.
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On December 15 2011 01:16 Focuspants wrote:This needs to be cleared up, because I cant stand reading all of the misinformed posts in the numerous other threads. Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots. Based on Naniwa's behaviour at the Blizzard cup, they chose to not give him that spot, and instead, give it to someone else. I think this is a very fair reaction, seeing as how he acted inappropriately. GOM was going to give him a gift, Naniwa ofended them, they decided they would no longer give him that gift. Here is Slashers twitter confirming this: http://twitter.com/slasherPlease people, whether you agree or disagree with Naniwas actions, at least understand what you are arguing over. This will save a lot of headaches in the multitude of other threads related to this issue.
"Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots."
He was going to get one, now he don't... how is that not losing a spot? Even if it was not via MLG, he is still losing a spot. GOMTV told him before Blizzard Cup that he was going to Code S... and he don't anymore. That's losing a spot in my book.
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And now look at the bottom about Providence.
You see any invited koreans?
It looks more like MLG code S extortion ^^ Jokes aside.
Providence wasn't a regular MLG they didn't have pools so they didn't invite koreans. No koreans = no code S spot. I believe this is how GOM saw that. Also Providence affects 2012 season and the exchange program was for year 2011. I think MLG as well as ESV are suppose to be negotiating a deal for the next year with GOM.
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On December 15 2011 02:16 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:14 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:10 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 02:08 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:06 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far. Just wait and see Sure, I just think it's silly that people are telling me to "check my facts" if what I did is try to post the facts :< It's not like they have better facts. the fact is that gsl made no announcement of them sending over koreans to play in mlg providence. no exchange program took place. why would gsl be obligated to hand out a code s spot. Possibly because every notable Korean was already going anyway? Providence had the biggest Korean player attendance of all the pro circuits, by quite a margin. Again, you have no better facts than me. At least I was trying to come up with some sources. This whole thread is based on 1 tweet by Slasher, and a real MLG admin was quick to point out that Slasher knows nothing. Go look at the MLG Providence liquipedia page. Does it say anywhere on there that GSL sent over koreans to be SEEDED into the Winner's Bracket that were not already there? No. That is all.
Does it say anywhere on the GSL-MLG exchange page that the code S seed will not be given if no Koreans are seeded? No. That is all.
This is indeed a silly discussion.
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Ok this is just too much. I'm not watching GSL ever again because this is simply retarded. Why did nobody mention that Naniwas actually didn't win the Code S spot till now? Quite suspicious. Secondly citing that rule as a prove is beyond stupid because that cant apply to anything even to Idra not GG-ing. I don't like Naniwa at all mainly because his past in WC3 and the fact that he said that Grubby would be a mediocre player if he haven't played orc. But this is about the Korean culture. I got pissed about players tweeting hate on Naniwa. I saw no players tweets about CoCa and what he did was far worse. So please dear Koreans if your culture is based on rules so much could you try to follow them first?
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On December 15 2011 02:10 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:08 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:06 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far. Just wait and see Sure, I just think it's silly that people are telling me to "check my facts" if what I did is try to post the facts :< It's not like they have better facts. the fact is that gsl made no announcement of them sending over koreans to play in mlg providence. no exchange program took place. why would gsl be obligated to hand out a code s spot.
Yep GSL doesnt exist. Starcraft doesnt exist.
Nobody anounced that it is in fact real.
It is all in our heads.
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Well, i can see why thy would give IdrA a code S spot, considering he forfeited his previous code S spot when he left Korea. Sen, I'm not sure--he did make it to the round of 32 in a GSL, but... Yeah, I think Naniwa blew it, if they were just considering him for a spot, and actually hadn't rewarded him for the spot with a #2 Providence finish... which was the fact echoed by many of the informed people at the event itself.
Since IdrA will now not be involved in the Up & Downs, will they give Nani a seed there? that seems a more appropriate response--they're even giving DeMuslim a shot (I understand it's based upon past agreements with MLG, for his high-ish finish, what, top 10 or something?), and a #2 Providence finish is quite impressive, considering the caliber of players he beat in that tourney.
Will wait, I suppose. Up & Downs is next week...
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