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On December 15 2011 01:58 labbe wrote:
It's so tragic that people don't realize that this is just a way for Gom to try to make this look less of a punishment than it is. First off, the result is still the same so I don't understand how it is any less of a punishment because of this. Second, why would they announce this as an afterthought? They even announced in a live broadcast that they are revoking Naniwas Code S spot. If he didn't have that spot in the first place, then why even make an announcement about it.
I'm losing more and more respect for Gomtv for every thing they do.
Seriously they were better off just straight up saying that they just wanted to punish him and stripped him of the Code S spot. This mumbo jumbo of him now not earning it at MLG but having been "invited" is just straight up cowardice.
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On December 15 2011 02:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:54 Juvant wrote:On December 15 2011 01:52 nam nam wrote:
How does this change anything? Are people arguing he wouldn't have gotten the Code S spot even if this hadn't happened? I think that's a fairly small chance unless gom was completely oblivious to what most people (including MLG's own news writers) was thinking. The point is that they didn't take away an earned slot in the tournament, they took away an intended invite. The player failed to live up to the standards they would want of an invite, so they invited someone else. It is a rather large difference in my opinion, regardless of which side of the argument you're on. Ah, I see the difference. I think that's called being an Indian Giver (racism not intended). Giving a gift and then taking it back. I would have thought that GOM would have wanted the best players in their tournament, not caring about how good-mannered they are... but I guess that's just something I disagree with them on. It's their tournament. Although, of course, they've allowed people in the past to play in the GSL who implement plenty of BM inside the game and out. Rituals, ceremonies, mannered units and structures, etc. Naniwa isn't unique.
Naniwa is actually unique in his intention. Rituals, ceremonies, mannered units and structures are playful banters meant for entertainment.
And no the gift was not finalize since Naniwa was only a candidate and he fucked it up with his action. Why would you invite someone like that to your tournament.
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On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself.
I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more?
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On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself.
So called 'facts' amounts to nothing if you actually read them.
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On December 15 2011 01:58 labbe wrote:
It's so tragic that people don't realize that this is just a way for Gom to try to make this look less of a punishment than it is. First off, the result is still the same so I don't understand how it is any less of a punishment because of this. Second, why would they announce this as an afterthought? They even announced in a live broadcast that they are revoking Naniwas Code S spot. If he didn't have that spot in the first place, then why even make an announcement about it.
I'm losing more and more respect for Gomtv for every thing they do.
use your freaking head. they announced it to set a precedent, and also because it was widely known or assumed that naniwa was getting the spot. and no, this invite vs won changes a lot of aspects especially about the reasoning and moral behind this decision. if it was indeed won (MLG had the code S spot for the winner set in a contract or something with GSL), then the decision to revoke the spot should be traced back to a rule (for it to be logical; gsl or mlg can technically get sued if there was no rule saying a player's code S spot can be revoked due to what naniwa did, although gomtv seemed to already categorize it into an existing rule). If it was an invite, they can revoke the code S spot even if there was no rule if they deemed it appropriate. The end result might be the same but the complications are very different.
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On December 15 2011 01:57 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:56 Hydrox911 wrote:
There were/are posts all over MLG about how Naniwas run did indeed EARN him a spot in Code S. Look them up. And new information shows that those posts may be wrong. We just gotta wait to see more official posts.
But if they were wrong why did GOM not say anything before now? they for sure knew about them if they care to read english forums.
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I guess this is alright..Still..The game itself didn't matter. He didn't think it mattered. It didn't matter. Whatever. Would've liked to see the match though ; /
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MLGLee also posted this in the other thread:
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
Lee
So there seems to be at least some confusion at MLG about this.
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On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more?
Where does it say there was no exchange program?
On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011
link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011
so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given.
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I was merely stating that he quoted a soource as reliable, and then quoted the same source as unreliable. I agree that at the end of the day, there is a possibility that Slasher COULD be wrong. However, im trying to show that this is another angle, which sheds a whole different light on the situation, and that the recent facts from people actually involved (first hand) in the situation, it isnt just a matter of GOM taking a way an invite earned at a different tournament.
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On December 15 2011 02:04 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:57 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 Hydrox911 wrote:
There were/are posts all over MLG about how Naniwas run did indeed EARN him a spot in Code S. Look them up. And new information shows that those posts may be wrong. We just gotta wait to see more official posts. But if they were wrong why did GOM not say anything before now? they for sure knew about them if they care to read english forums.
Possible misunderstanding due to language barrier?
Not like MLG was clear about this either if they are finding more information instead of an affirmative stand.
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From MLG own site news:
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence
Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/
Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program.
http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk
Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence.
So by insisting on defending their honor GOM is not only arguably treating Naniwa unfairly but also hurting the integrity of the MLG/GOM partnership?
Source reddit http://bit.ly/sJov75
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On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given.
TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far.
Just wait and see
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On December 15 2011 02:04 Monasou wrote:
I guess this is alright..Still..The game itself didn't matter. He didn't think it mattered. It didn't matter. Whatever. Would've liked to see the match though ; /
Thats why the match mattered. Because you wanted to see it. At the end of the day, we pay for Naniwa to play, and we wanted to see the game. As a pro, he owes it to you, me, and everyone else to play.
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On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given.
you clearly dont understand what exchange means. there were no players from korea seeded into any spot at providence, hence no exchange... im done with this not worth arguing over i have more important things to do
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On December 15 2011 02:06 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:04 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 02:03 BoomNasty wrote:On December 15 2011 01:58 Laurens wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 BoomNasty wrote:There was no exchange program at Providence. No Koreans outside hte Top 16 were given seeds into the Winner's Bracket. Please check your facts before you post stuff like htis. lol, the facts are in the links I posted, please check them yourself. I did... Like I said. There was no exchange program.... Need I say more? Where does it say there was no exchange program? On the Liquipedia page titled GSL-MLG Exchange Program there is a section titled: MLG Providence 2011 link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program#MLG_Providence_2011so OBVIOUSLY providence is part of the exchange program. Sure, no Koreans were sent because the tournament structure does not allow for it, but GSL seeds were still given. TLPD makes mistakes too, MLG still doesn't know what is going on and GSL is giving zero statements so far. Just wait and see
Sure, I just think it's silly that people are telling me to "check my facts" if what I did is try to post the facts :<
It's not like they have better facts.
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On December 15 2011 02:06 iChaos wrote:From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionShow nested quote +Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recapShow nested quote +Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providenceShow nested quote +Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/Show nested quote +Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-hukShow nested quote +Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. So by insisting on defending their honor GOM is not only arguably treating Naniwa unfairly but also hurting the integrity of the MLG/GOM partnership? Source reddit http://bit.ly/sJov75
Or MLG is having some communications issue.
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All the Naniwa thread needs to be organized as one... Its so overcrworing TL the past few hours
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On December 15 2011 02:06 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:04 Monasou wrote:
I guess this is alright..Still..The game itself didn't matter. He didn't think it mattered. It didn't matter. Whatever. Would've liked to see the match though ; /
Thats why the match mattered. Because you wanted to see it. At the end of the day, we pay for Naniwa to play, and we wanted to see the game. As a pro, he owes it to you, me, and everyone else to play.
Naniwa owes nothing to you. You didn't pay him, you paid GomTV to entertain you. If GomTV makes bad rules that encourage players to not play their best, be mad at GomTV not Naniwa. Afterall you are paying GomTV.
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