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Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 17:19 GMT
#161
On December 15 2011 02:18 Xalorian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:16 Focuspants wrote:
This needs to be cleared up, because I cant stand reading all of the misinformed posts in the numerous other threads.

Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots.

Based on Naniwa's behaviour at the Blizzard cup, they chose to not give him that spot, and instead, give it to someone else.

I think this is a very fair reaction, seeing as how he acted inappropriately. GOM was going to give him a gift, Naniwa ofended them, they decided they would no longer give him that gift.

Here is Slashers twitter confirming this:
http://twitter.com/slasher

Please people, whether you agree or disagree with Naniwas actions, at least understand what you are arguing over. This will save a lot of headaches in the multitude of other threads related to this issue.


"Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots."

He was going to get one, now he don't... how is that not losing a spot? Even if it was not via MLG, he is still losing a spot. GOMTV told him before Blizzard Cup that he was going to Code S... and he don't anymore. That's losing a spot in my book.


Its much different, if it is a gift from GOM, and they no longer believe he represents them well, they have every right to not give it to him, and give it to whoever they see fit. If Naniwa earned the spot by winning it at another tournament, the issue is much different, and much mroe difficult to resolve. Isnt that obvious? I dont see how people dont see the difference between the two.
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
December 14 2011 17:19 GMT
#162
On December 15 2011 01:24 Project Psycho wrote:
This is a load BS, because how has Stephano not got a code S spot? he was in the blizzard cup and has done a lot better than Naniwa, Idra and Sen in the last few months. Does Stephano even want a code S spot?


If you did a little research, you'd find stephano has said he doesnt want to live in korea...sooo...thats probably why
skyrunner
Profile Joined August 2009
371 Posts
December 14 2011 17:20 GMT
#163
On December 15 2011 02:16 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:14 skyrunner wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:59 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:57 skyrunner wrote:
It's called indian giving...

but i guess people are okay with it.

omg.... the posts get"better" and better.... really dude?

great post, great argument. really shut me down there. youtube comments belong on youtube, not on a forum made for discussion.

Yah because calling GOM Indian givers isn't childish and "youtube" as you call it?

But... it's actually what they've done. I really don't understand your argument, but i guess that's because you don't have one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver

Naniwa got his code s spot, then later gom chooses to take it back. How can it be any other way?
That's what you're supposed to make the argument for. "really dude" is not an argument.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 17:21:21
December 14 2011 17:20 GMT
#164
On December 15 2011 02:19 Focuspants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:18 Xalorian wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:16 Focuspants wrote:
This needs to be cleared up, because I cant stand reading all of the misinformed posts in the numerous other threads.

Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots.

Based on Naniwa's behaviour at the Blizzard cup, they chose to not give him that spot, and instead, give it to someone else.

I think this is a very fair reaction, seeing as how he acted inappropriately. GOM was going to give him a gift, Naniwa ofended them, they decided they would no longer give him that gift.

Here is Slashers twitter confirming this:
http://twitter.com/slasher

Please people, whether you agree or disagree with Naniwas actions, at least understand what you are arguing over. This will save a lot of headaches in the multitude of other threads related to this issue.


"Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots."

He was going to get one, now he don't... how is that not losing a spot? Even if it was not via MLG, he is still losing a spot. GOMTV told him before Blizzard Cup that he was going to Code S... and he don't anymore. That's losing a spot in my book.

Its much different, if it is a gift from GOM, and they no longer believe he represents them well, they have every right to not give it to him, and give it to whoever they see fit. If Naniwa earned the spot by winning it at another tournament, the issue is much different, and much mroe difficult to resolve. Isnt that obvious? I dont see how people dont see the difference between the two.

You don't see a problem in GOM only making the information public that naniwa had in fact, contrary to wideheld belief (which seems to include naniwa and his team..), not qualified for code S, until a day after the Nestea match and after publicly stating by twitter that "NaNiwa is baned 2012 GSL codeS Season#1 Seed. so, GamaniaSen is coming! #GSL #SC2"?

I think you need a lot of goodwill on GOMs behalf to come to any other conclusion than that GOM is trying to make a controversial decision seem less so.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 17:21 GMT
#165
On December 15 2011 02:19 Bonkarooni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:24 Project Psycho wrote:
This is a load BS, because how has Stephano not got a code S spot? he was in the blizzard cup and has done a lot better than Naniwa, Idra and Sen in the last few months. Does Stephano even want a code S spot?


If you did a little research, you'd find stephano has said he doesnt want to live in korea...sooo...thats probably why

No it is because GOM are evil. Stephano stated he didn't want to participate in GSL. Clearly that is GOM's fault.
Wedberg
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden169 Posts
December 14 2011 17:24 GMT
#166
On December 15 2011 02:14 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:12 Wedberg wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:11 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:10 SoapSC wrote:
Why trust Slasher? Look at Liquipedia and you will find the right answers.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence - This was the first event where a non-korean was awarded Code status.

And this

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program

Why trust Liquipedia? Isn't it like anyone can edit it? That being said, Liquipedia editors probably got it directly from the MLG page.


There's a fair amount of links posted where MLG etc. says Naniwa earned his spot. (Someone had a compilation, will edit if I find it.)

"Earned" as I said is a vague word. Think about it for a second.


Finishing top 3 at MLG was the condition to get a seed for GSL. He met that condition, thus earned it.
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 17:24 GMT
#167
On December 15 2011 02:20 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:19 Focuspants wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:18 Xalorian wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:16 Focuspants wrote:
This needs to be cleared up, because I cant stand reading all of the misinformed posts in the numerous other threads.

Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots.

Based on Naniwa's behaviour at the Blizzard cup, they chose to not give him that spot, and instead, give it to someone else.

I think this is a very fair reaction, seeing as how he acted inappropriately. GOM was going to give him a gift, Naniwa ofended them, they decided they would no longer give him that gift.

Here is Slashers twitter confirming this:
http://twitter.com/slasher

Please people, whether you agree or disagree with Naniwas actions, at least understand what you are arguing over. This will save a lot of headaches in the multitude of other threads related to this issue.


"Naniwa did not earn a Code S spot from MLG Providence. GOM was going to give him one of the two foreigner spots."

He was going to get one, now he don't... how is that not losing a spot? Even if it was not via MLG, he is still losing a spot. GOMTV told him before Blizzard Cup that he was going to Code S... and he don't anymore. That's losing a spot in my book.

Its much different, if it is a gift from GOM, and they no longer believe he represents them well, they have every right to not give it to him, and give it to whoever they see fit. If Naniwa earned the spot by winning it at another tournament, the issue is much different, and much mroe difficult to resolve. Isnt that obvious? I dont see how people dont see the difference between the two.

You don't see a problem in GOM only making the information public that naniwa had in fact, contrary to wideheld belief (which seems to include naniwa and his team..), not qualified for code S, until a day after the Nestea match and after publicly stating by twitter that "NaNiwa is baned 2012 GSL codeS Season#1 Seed. so, GamaniaSen is coming! #GSL #SC2"?

I think you need a lot of goodwill on GOMs behalf to come to any other conclusion than that GOM is trying to make a controversial decision seem less so.


They didnt have a reason to come out and say it, because nobody was asking any questions, and they likely assumed that everyone knew what was going on. How do you know there is a problem before it surfaces?
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 14 2011 17:26 GMT
#168
A clarification has been posted in the other thread. Closing this one. Gotta quarantine the nonsense.
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