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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 14 2011 16:37 GMT
#61
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.

good point! O_o
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
December 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#62
He did win the spot, according to every resource I've read. I've never even heard of the blizzcup seeds being given out for MLG performances before, I had always heard code s.
White-Ra fighting!
staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
December 14 2011 16:39 GMT
#63
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:39 GMT
#64
On December 15 2011 01:35 Alvar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:31 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:26 Alvar wrote:
What does Slasher have to do with this? He probably just missunderstood it himself?

So you are assuming that the posters here have more knowledge than Slasher why? Because it supports your views. Believe Slasher until proven otherwise by a credible source.

My views? you do not even know my views, I have no idea one way or the other, but all the evidence before Slashers twitter(?) says that Naniwa recieved the seed from providence, even statements from MLG.

Even the original statement from GOM said there was a seed from every pro circuit this year.

Others have posted that Gom didnt send Koreans. That in itself could be the very reason this exhcnage didnt exist for this tournament.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:41:09
December 14 2011 16:40 GMT
#65
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."


As soon as you link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following.

"MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:40 GMT
#66
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."

Can you give a link from a CREDIBLE source commenting directly on this matter in the present and not the past, not using MLG sites from the PAST which have had misleading info on them before, that contradicts what Slasher said?
Jeromir
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden39 Posts
December 14 2011 16:41 GMT
#67
Even if what the OP states if true (whitch seems to be debateable), this doesn't change anything in my opinion. It's actually pretty sad how this situation has made everyone involved look like assholes. Naniwa should'nt have doon that, i meen he could have just made a proxy 2-gate all in and everyone would be happy. GOM also comes off like assholes when they makes a lot of big talk about professionalism and then states officially that Naniwa is an amateur price pool hunter, witch is pretty damn unprofessional. The punishment is way to harsh, to not give him the price money for this turnament, plus a strong warning, would have been the reasonable thing to do.
zala2023
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
December 14 2011 16:41 GMT
#68
good
im not interested in seeing any more probe rushes in the gsl
hope idra and sen represent the foreign scene better than naniwa does
relax bro we got this
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 16:42 GMT
#69
The fact of the matter is, GSL didnt send players to Providence, and Slasher is saying that Providence wasnt involved in the exchange program. Clearly there was a lack of clarity on this issue, which is now being brought out due to this situation.

You are left with 2 options:

1) Believe the MLG employee, and the fact they say it wasnt prat of the exchange program, coupled with the fact that the GSL didnt send any representatives to the event.

or

2) Believe a bunch of annonymous forum posters, who are using articles, that are likely wrong because of the lack of clairty with the exchange program.

I choose to go with the information from the people directly involved with the companies responsible for the exchange program, rather than people looking at it from the outside.
Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
December 14 2011 16:42 GMT
#70
On December 15 2011 01:39 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:35 Alvar wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:31 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:26 Alvar wrote:
What does Slasher have to do with this? He probably just missunderstood it himself?

So you are assuming that the posters here have more knowledge than Slasher why? Because it supports your views. Believe Slasher until proven otherwise by a credible source.

My views? you do not even know my views, I have no idea one way or the other, but all the evidence before Slashers twitter(?) says that Naniwa recieved the seed from providence, even statements from MLG.

Even the original statement from GOM said there was a seed from every pro circuit this year.

Others have posted that Gom didnt send Koreans. That in itself could be the very reason this exhcnage didnt exist for this tournament.

You might be right about this, but you are probably just guessing. I see no reason to go with only slashers twitter as evidence over all the other statements made before.

GOM might have changed their minds. I do feel the communication between MLG and GOM seem to have been horrible for all those statements to be made without any response from GOM or correction from GOM.
staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
December 14 2011 16:43 GMT
#71
On December 15 2011 01:40 NHY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."


As soon as you link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following.

"MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."


I agree both are violations of the rules. Why would I try to find such a link? I also find it odd they didn't invite. So, sure, I see your point.

Now, back to the code S spot matter. Is there a rule that says Providence is an exception?
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 14 2011 16:44 GMT
#72
Ah well if that is the case then i totally agree with goms decision.

Before i said i respected their decision but felt that naniwa may have kind of earned that spot.

I totally think what he did was wrong, and if they were giving him that spot then all i have to say is, dont bite the hand that feeds you.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:45 GMT
#73
On December 15 2011 01:42 Alvar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:39 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 Alvar wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:31 mrtomjones wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:26 Alvar wrote:
What does Slasher have to do with this? He probably just missunderstood it himself?

So you are assuming that the posters here have more knowledge than Slasher why? Because it supports your views. Believe Slasher until proven otherwise by a credible source.

My views? you do not even know my views, I have no idea one way or the other, but all the evidence before Slashers twitter(?) says that Naniwa recieved the seed from providence, even statements from MLG.

Even the original statement from GOM said there was a seed from every pro circuit this year.

Others have posted that Gom didnt send Koreans. That in itself could be the very reason this exhcnage didnt exist for this tournament.

You might be right about this, but you are probably just guessing. I see no reason to go with only slashers twitter as evidence over all the other statements made before.

GOM might have changed their minds. I do feel the communication between MLG and GOM seem to have been horrible for all those statements to be made without any response from GOM or correction from GOM.

Slasher works for MLG and although he doesn't represent them he has a heck of a lot more knowledge about their "goings on" than you, me, or anyone else posting in this thread. Until someone contradicts him from MLG or GOM I would suggest that listening to the most credible source of information is wisest.
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
December 14 2011 16:45 GMT
#74
On December 15 2011 01:43 staavros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:40 NHY wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."


As soon as you link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following.

"MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."


I agree both are violations of the rules. Why would I try to find such a link? I also find it odd they didn't invite. So, sure, I see your point.

Now, back to the code S spot matter. Is there a rule that says Providence is an exception?


The exchange program ended in 2011 and doesn't apply to 2012.
staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
December 14 2011 16:45 GMT
#75
On December 15 2011 01:40 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."

Can you give a link from a CREDIBLE source commenting directly on this matter in the present and not the past, not using MLG sites from the PAST which have had misleading info on them before, that contradicts what Slasher said?


But rules are decided before, right?

Is it correct to adapt the rules to our liking because they proved insufficient to cover cases we didn't foresee when we made the rules?
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#76
On December 15 2011 01:42 Focuspants wrote:
The fact of the matter is, GSL didnt send players to Providence, and Slasher is saying that Providence wasnt involved in the exchange program. Clearly there was a lack of clarity on this issue, which is now being brought out due to this situation.

You are left with 2 options:

1) Believe the MLG employee, and the fact they say it wasnt prat of the exchange program, coupled with the fact that the GSL didnt send any representatives to the event.

or

2) Believe a bunch of annonymous forum posters, who are using articles, that are likely wrong because of the lack of clairty with the exchange program.

I choose to go with the information from the people directly involved with the companies responsible for the exchange program, rather than people looking at it from the outside.


Haha, Open you eyes. Anyone with a brain can actually see whats going on here. This hole incident is is starting to become so laughable

The annonymous forum posters as you call them are just linking statement and articles from MLG own site GomTV own site and reliable and well known news site.

Come on man lol
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:47:20
December 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#77
On December 15 2011 01:45 Juvant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:43 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:40 NHY wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."


As soon as you link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following.

"MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."


I agree both are violations of the rules. Why would I try to find such a link? I also find it odd they didn't invite. So, sure, I see your point.

Now, back to the code S spot matter. Is there a rule that says Providence is an exception?


The exchange program ended in 2011 and doesn't apply to 2012.

because providence happened in 2012 ....right?


and it just so happens that MLG wrote 5 different articles on Naniwa winning a code S spot but nobody noticed the mistake......i dont know..
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:46:51
December 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#78
Earned spot or not I don't care.

It was right to punish him.

Could have done it in several different ways, but what they chose to do was appropriate imho.

Also, since it was already announced he would give it, to me - it was as 'real' as any other code S spots.

If you want to focus on 'earned' then only those going through the qualifiers in korea into code A into code S are 'earning' their spot (in addition to those already in the tournament of course).
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
December 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#79
On December 15 2011 01:46 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:45 Juvant wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:43 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:40 NHY wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 staavros wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:35 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Yeah, bullshit.

MLG gives Code S to the highest placing non Code S player. Why would this MLG all of a sudden not count?


cause it wasnt part of the exchange program? GSL didnt send any players to providence.



Please, would you be so kind to provide a link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following?

"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."


As soon as you link with a rule that clearly says Providence is an exception to the following.

"MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."


I agree both are violations of the rules. Why would I try to find such a link? I also find it odd they didn't invite. So, sure, I see your point.

Now, back to the code S spot matter. Is there a rule that says Providence is an exception?


The exchange program ended in 2011 and doesn't apply to 2012.

because providence happened in 2012 ....right?


GSL January takes place in 2011... Right?
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
December 14 2011 16:47 GMT
#80
This doesn't matter.

They decided to invite Naniwa and then they pulled the invite even when Naniwa didnt break any other rules than some stupid code of honor. They dont have any grounds to pull his invite.
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