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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
December 14 2011 16:24 GMT
#21
Thanks Focuspants your wisdom and lack of racism has brought a revelation in this matter at hand!
Tastefull88
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium31 Posts
December 14 2011 16:24 GMT
#22
Lol, it was pretty clear he would have gotten an invite if not for the incident yesterday. Stupid thread.
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
December 14 2011 16:25 GMT
#23
On December 15 2011 01:21 Laurens wrote:
from liquipedia:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence
"This was the first event where a non-korean was awarded Code S status. "

also:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NaNiwa#MLG_Providence_2011

and:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program
"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
"


This should've been the OP, not the current misguided one. Obviously they revoked his spot, not just decided to "not give him a gift"
GadZ
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany7 Posts
December 14 2011 16:25 GMT
#24
On December 15 2011 01:21 Laurens wrote:
from liquipedia:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence
"This was the first event where a non-korean was awarded Code S status. "

also:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NaNiwa#MLG_Providence_2011

and:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program
"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
"


This is supported by the official press release:

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291

"At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status."
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:28:06
December 14 2011 16:25 GMT
#25
heres how life is.
if you act like a dick
karmas going to come back at you

Lets look at it this way.
currently GSL is the SC2 channel in Korea.
All the koreans watch this so they can get their fill for SC2
GSL/GOMtv is a Business
Naniwa is a pawn in the business.
Naniwas job is to give SC2 games because he is a PRO, that is why he is THERE
Naniwa DID NOT fulfill his job. You cannot call that a game of sending probes.
Please dont say this is even a legitimate strategy, thats just some technical bullcrock. Would you even do it on ladder?
GSL was like well **** you, you dont make our business look good peace

/Endofthisnaniwa
Alvar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden61 Posts
December 14 2011 16:26 GMT
#26
What does Slasher have to do with this? He probably just missunderstood it himself?
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 16:26 GMT
#27
On December 15 2011 00:03 SnoLys wrote:
From MLG own site news:

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension
Show nested quote +
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.


http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap
Show nested quote +
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.


http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence
Show nested quote +
Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events.


Edit:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program
Show nested quote +
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.

Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.


Edit2:
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/
Show nested quote +
Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program.


http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk
Show nested quote +
Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence.


Edit3:
http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/
Show nested quote +
NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot.


Ofcourse he didnt lol:D MLG and GSL are lying why ? money
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:27 GMT
#28
On December 15 2011 01:23 Focuspants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:21 Laurens wrote:
from liquipedia:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence
"This was the first event where a non-korean was awarded Code S status. "

also:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NaNiwa#MLG_Providence_2011

and:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program
"At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
"


Clearly there was confusion, and I dont think slasher is lying in his twitter. So we can now focus the debate around the new facts that have been revealed.

The first quote doesnt even state the reasons for why it was given. I would tend to assume Slasher is right in this case since he isn't stating an opinion(which I tend to disagree with from him ) and he would be someone who would know whether it is given or earned.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 14 2011 16:27 GMT
#29
Well that clears up the entire problem doesnt it
High Risk Low Reward
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:29:47
December 14 2011 16:28 GMT
#30
From http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap

"After starting the weekend with wins over the two best players in the world, MVP and Nestea, to win the MLG Global
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason."
:)
Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 16:28 GMT
#31
I dont understand what motivation Slasher would have to lie about this. I am fairly confidant he would know more about the status of the exchange program than the conspiracy theorists in this thread.

I undertstand that there are questions to clear up, and not everything is cut and dry, but to say you know more about it than the guy that works with MLG, and that he is lying, is a bit ridiculous of a response.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
December 14 2011 16:28 GMT
#32
On December 15 2011 01:24 Project Psycho wrote:
This is a load BS, because how has Stephano not got a code S spot? he was in the blizzard cup and has done a lot better than Naniwa, Idra and Sen in the last few months. Does Stephano even want a code S spot?

I agree, Stephano should have the code S spot since IdrA would have been in the up/downs anyway. I guess they think that since he's living in the SlayerS house now and will be staying here for quite a while that they might just give it to him and not to some foreigner who is just going to leave next season. Still bullshit, but it's the only answer I can come up with...
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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:28 GMT
#33
On December 15 2011 01:26 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:03 SnoLys wrote:
From MLG own site news:

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.


http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.


http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence
Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events.


Edit:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.

Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.


Edit2:
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/
Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program.


http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk
Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence.


Edit3:
http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/
NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot.


Ofcourse he didnt lol:D MLG and GSL are lying why ? money

MLG has had some misunderstood quotes about the GSL exchange in the past. I'd bet this is another.
Tanag
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada204 Posts
December 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#34
He still earned it, whether it was a "prize" from MLG or not. They don't just give code S slots to anyone. Revoking it after giving it is the same, regardless of how he got it.
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staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
December 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#35
Could someone provide some source that existed BEFORE the incident and clearly states that GSL can CHOOSE whether or not to award a code S spot to the highest ranked non-code S player of MLG?

I think it's good starting this thread, to talk about the particular rule, regardless of our opinion about what naniwa did. So, if someone has good knowledge of the rules and where to find them, I am sure he will be able to provide what I am asking. Thanks in advance.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#36
On December 15 2011 01:25 IOvEggY wrote:
heres how life is.
if you act like a dick
karmas going to come back at you

Lets look at it this way.
currently GSL is the SC2 channel in Korea.
All the koreans watch this so they can get their fill for SC2
GSL/GOMtv is a Business
Naniwa is a pawn in the business.
Naniwas job is to give SC2 games because he is a PRO, that is why he is THERE
Naniwa DID NOT fulfill his job. You cannot call that a game of sending probes.
Please dont say this is even a legitimate strategy, thats just some technical bullcrock. Would you even do it on ladder?
GSL was like well **** you, you dont make our business look good peace

/Endofthisnaniwa


Being a pro does not mean that.
Being pro is you making money because you play the game.

If being a pro meant show good games before everything, heall, you could bann half of the proscene.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
SnoLys
Profile Joined August 2011
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:30:15
December 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#37
Edit: derped
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#38
On December 15 2011 01:28 Xcobidoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:24 Project Psycho wrote:
This is a load BS, because how has Stephano not got a code S spot? he was in the blizzard cup and has done a lot better than Naniwa, Idra and Sen in the last few months. Does Stephano even want a code S spot?

I agree, Stephano should have the code S spot since IdrA would have been in the up/downs anyway. I guess they think that since he's living in the SlayerS house now and will be staying here for quite a while that they might just give it to him and not to some foreigner who is just going to leave next season. Still bullshit, but it's the only answer I can come up with...

Stephano has said he has no interest in GSL... why would they give him a spot...
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
December 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#39
I still don't undestand what Naniwa did.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 16:30 GMT
#40
On December 15 2011 01:29 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:28 Xcobidoo wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:24 Project Psycho wrote:
This is a load BS, because how has Stephano not got a code S spot? he was in the blizzard cup and has done a lot better than Naniwa, Idra and Sen in the last few months. Does Stephano even want a code S spot?

I agree, Stephano should have the code S spot since IdrA would have been in the up/downs anyway. I guess they think that since he's living in the SlayerS house now and will be staying here for quite a while that they might just give it to him and not to some foreigner who is just going to leave next season. Still bullshit, but it's the only answer I can come up with...

Stephano has said he has no interest in GSL... why would they give him a spot...


They did give him a spot but he sayd no
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