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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:26 Scythe90 wrote:
GOM's justification for this is stupid. He didn't break any rules, he may have upset some people but that is it
disrepsecting the player he was facing by practically giving up the match. You think nestea would of done the same thing? Nestea would of played out an hour macro game for all we know. Why? because he has respect for the game. And for naniwa to throw the game, and then admit it publically is a fucking retarded decision from him.
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What the fuck? I'd say boycut GOM. This is just too much.
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On December 14 2011 19:23 anomalopidae wrote:
I don't understand this. Why wasn't Nestea banned as well then? Playing drunk is way worse than what Naniwa did and Nestea did it in Code S group play. If any professional athlete was drunk during competition he'd receive severe punishment. I suppose it's just a way to prevent foreigners being successful in Korea.
This is just ridiculously ignorant, especially your last sentence.
First of all, Nestea "had a few too many at a party" the day before or a few days before which made him unable to play at his fullest potential.
Next, he played all his games to the best of his ability - yes, even if he was 50% able, not just using a 0% chance strat to end a game in less than 1 minute.
Also, then why the fk are they inviting 2 foreigners for their Code S seeds (one replacing naniwa of course) if htey are "preventing foreigners being successful in Korea."
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wtf, this is bullcrap
he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have
MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?
this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit
if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.
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On December 14 2011 19:21 PandaTank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:07 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 19:02 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 vali wrote:
This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket. GSL is a joke for taking itself seriously? Do you even realize what you just said? Its a joke for a big organisation like gom to ban players at their discretion with no rules being broken Naniwa did break a rule. He disrespected Nestea by not playing out the game (Regardless of whether or not it mattered), and he disrespected the audience by robbing them of a potentially good game because he decided it wasn't worth his effort, despite the fact that Naniwa is supposed to be a "Pro-gamer". This is bullshit. So basically, cheese is a bannable offence then? Manner nexux? Manner mule? Because Nestea, or any other player could view it as disrespectful if someone decides to cheese or manner mule them in a tournament. And besides, naniwa he did play out the game. Obviously not to the best of his ability. But once again, that is completely subjective. Had he simply left the game or refused to play, that is a more clear cut situation.
There is a difference. This tournament is also in Korea. They have different standards than you do apparently. Hell there are so many points as to why it is disrespectufl that if you do not understand it already then there is no point explaining.
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Gotta stop reading this thread because the rage reactions from people calling for the severed head of GOM for upholding the rules as they were laid out.
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On December 14 2011 19:27 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:21 furymonkey wrote:On December 14 2011 19:08 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 19:07 HuK wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote:
to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:
imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have
a) no gsl spot
b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse
c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely
I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good i agree with this, i guess question is should foreigners receive special treatment like they have been so far or be treated more on par with koreans? I respect GSL for sticking to their standards and not making exceptions. Same thing occurred to Coca. Agree, coca withdraw in similar fashion. Good job to GOM, at least they are consistent. LOL OK. Coca was not suspended by Gom. In fact, Gom didn't do anything to Coca. Naniwa gets suspended for throwing a game. So consistent
SlayerS did everything before GOM could do anything.
You really think with sAviOr being so fresh in everyone's minds that GOM wouldn't have done anything?
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A mod really needs to change the title here, Naniwa is only losing his code S seed and being banned from GSL Jan., not being banned from GSL altogether.
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On December 14 2011 19:25 zanmat0 wrote:
Dear GOMTV:
I am very disappointed in your overeaction regarding the Naniwa incident and as such, I would like to request a refund for my recent $70 purchase of the 2012 GSL ticket.
Best regards,
zanmat0
I have to ask what you were even in it for in the first place.
enjoy missing the best starcraft 2 on the planet
anyone saying this is to halt foreigner dominance... LOL. how many shots has naniwa had in korea? and how many other foreigners. come on.
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i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case.
GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present.
If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture.
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On December 14 2011 19:26 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:24 CrimsonSpire wrote:On December 14 2011 19:21 TheExile19 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:18 CrimsonSpire wrote:
I love how everyone is talking about "Professionalism" in progaming, and Leenock just did a Roach dance to tilt MC.
The Naniwa punishment was by far overboard. do you people think at all before posting things like this? do you think leenock playing a full game and doing typical korean BM style :: naniwa skipping out on playing a game for his fans, the people that paid to see him play and the general welfare of the company paying him to play games for them because he was in an emo mood are in any way comparable as an analogy? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't complain about the lack of professionalism and then turn around and allow it because you feel like it. Either punish everyone for it, or don't punish anyone about it. but they are entirely different things... clearly everyone (except for those who want to use it as an argument) thinks what naniwa did (quitting a game because he was sad he lost) is different from what leenock did (tried to get inside his opponent's head in a bo5 where he was down 0-2)
Honestly I was just using the Leenock thing because it just happened, and because, yes, it is unprofessional.
Do I care? No. I enjoy "drama" for a lack of a better word. It makes for good T.V., look at Idra, if you don't believe that.
But saying that one person should be allowed to do it, and another shouldn't, is complete bullshit. It doesn't matter the schematics, at all, because it is UNPROFESSIONAL. Naniwa getting banned over this is the equivalent of someone doing what he was told to do, just not how the boss MEANT it, and being fired for it.
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On December 14 2011 19:19 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:17 hugman wrote:
Tbh he probably needed a real wake up call What kind would that be exactly? If you wanna be the best SC2 player, you have to lie to your fans and audience and pretend you care about games, that don't mean anything?
During his first week in korea, he got paired up against, who was it? One of the best zergs in the world, and performed (arguably) 2 actions and took his hands off the keyboard because he was too tired to play out a 4 minute proxy 2 gate and get it over with.
It's not a matter of lying to fans. Complexity sent him to korea to play the game seriously (and complexity is VERY big on image). Gom gave him the GSL seed for the purpose of generating content, not because it's some supreme honor to invite a foreigner who throws temper tantrums because he's tired.
Not to mention huk and idra have reputations for being extremely bad mannered and temperamental, yet they don't do things like this, which are clearly ignorant and selfish, because they know they have teams to represent, people that pay their checks for not only playing the game in a serious manner, but probably with more success than naniwa will ever be able to.
I'm glad idrA got his spot. He deserves it more, and he'll go farther with it
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Wow people on the internet are fickle.
Respect is a huge part of Korean culture, Naniwa showed no respect towards Gom, therefore he gets banned. May be an over reaction to us but it is very much the norm over there
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i believe there is a reasonable explanation for naniwa's behavior. he had nestea tilted at MLG, which is a valuable psychological tool in a competitive environment. why play out a meaningless game and allow nestea any sort of redemption and lose the one edge he had over nestea? there was a definite potential that they could've clashed in code S.
secondary to that, gom should give money incentives to compete till the end of the group instead of shitting on naniwa.
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On December 14 2011 19:25 synkronized wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:18 Vari wrote:
I actually can't wait to buy my ticket now
give the spot to someone that deserves it and doesn't turn into a child when they lose
someone with pride in themselves and their team Idra does the early gg in EG Master's cup games, games that affect his whole team's record. Idra's gg'd won games and has spewed an unprovoked "Fuck you" to MouzMana in the IPL, broken his keyboard after losing to Trimaster along with a slew of other immature reactions. Idra's getting a Code S spot. He doesn't sound like a paragon of mature behavior after losing to me. Face it, Naniwa got crucified.
Yeah none of that had anything to do with the GSL. While Idra was still competing in Korea he was always respectful. Heck, GOM even made a farewell video for him. Being a BW player who trained there, he very well knows the standards for pro players in Korea.
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On December 14 2011 19:28 Roxy wrote:
wtf, this is bullcrap
he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have
MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?
this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit
if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.
everyone knows he threw the game. he said he threw the game...
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As i said before:"Finally someone treats Nani like he treats other people. I am perfectly fine with this... from my fanboy point of view."
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GSL just lost a customer.
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A Korean player WOULD NEVER do this and everyone knows it
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Afer reading for a few pages. Too bad, I can just conclude most of the foreigner are too biased, Naniwa deserved to be banned... This is the rule. Did you know Kespa SC1 will even punish you for not typing gg properly {eg 'g' or 'ggg'}
GOM you are correct!! Forget those ignorant viewer
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