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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:22 pookadin wrote:
LOL all these people say they wont buy tickets for GOMTV tourneys anymore but you can bet your bottom dollar on them using the free stream every night anyway....
Pretty much.
I highly doubt the viewership from sweden for GSL will decrease. If anything, most of them just wont pay for it but stay up for the free stream anyways.
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"@LorangerChris if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?"\
for those defending Naniwa, be grateful he wasn't Korean lol.
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Seriously i'm starting to get sick towards standard cheating korean reactions.
Savior huge scandal = Ban for life Kespa+Gom
Dimaga = Invited to World championships
TT1 = Same
Nani JUST THROW MATCH = Ban from a hardly won Code S seed
Look up to your standards seriously. That's like when you give IdrA the Code S seed when the guy left after you started season in GSL2? wtf.
And i'll repeat it, actually i'm a big idra fand i really dislike Nani. But come on GSL, your organisation sucks, your tournament will suck, and i hope MLG will break partnership with you.
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Dear GOMTV:
I am very disappointed in your overeaction regarding the Naniwa incident and as such, I would like to request a refund for my recent $70 purchase of the 2012 GSL ticket.
Best regards,
zanmat0
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On December 14 2011 19:18 Vari wrote:
I actually can't wait to buy my ticket now
give the spot to someone that deserves it and doesn't turn into a child when they lose
someone with pride in themselves and their team
Idra does the early gg in EG Master's cup games, games that affect his whole team's record.
Idra's gg'd won games and has spewed an unprovoked "Fuck you" to MouzMana in the IPL, broken his keyboard after losing to Trimaster along with a slew of other immature reactions.
Idra's getting a Code S spot. He doesn't sound like a paragon of mature behavior after losing to me. Face it, Naniwa got crucified.
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On December 14 2011 19:21 PandaTank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:07 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 19:02 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 vali wrote:
This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket. GSL is a joke for taking itself seriously? Do you even realize what you just said? Its a joke for a big organisation like gom to ban players at their discretion with no rules being broken Naniwa did break a rule. He disrespected Nestea by not playing out the game (Regardless of whether or not it mattered), and he disrespected the audience by robbing them of a potentially good game because he decided it wasn't worth his effort, despite the fact that Naniwa is supposed to be a "Pro-gamer". This is bullshit. So basically, cheese is a bannable offence then? Manner nexux? Manner mule? Because Nestea, or any other player could view it as disrespectful if someone decides to cheese or manner mule them in a tournament. And besides, naniwa he did play out the game. Obviously not to the best of his ability. But once again, that is completely subjective. Had he simply left the game or refused to play, that is a more clear cut situation.
why do you think comparing an completely unwinnable strategy to a cheese is a valid comparison? one can win the game and satisfy the basic norms of opponent respect and general guidelines of participating in a tournament, one avoids all of this in favor of just being done because you're in a poor mood.
he did refuse to play, you count a 0% win potential as playing? mathematically, I'm pretty sure that's a goddamn loss.
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On December 14 2011 19:22 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:17 Troopi wrote:On December 14 2011 19:09 labbe wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. I cannot believe that I have supported GOMTV with my money until now. I have paid for almost every season so far, and then they go ahead and do this kind of shit? I am never ever watching another GSL event, and I am sure as hell not buying any more tickets.
This is literally just shitting on their viewers. Do they really expect people to pay for their sevices, and get emotionally engaged in their players, when they just ban players on a whim? Not even a warning? Not a fine?
GOMTV, I sincerely regret to ever have bought your services, and I feel utterly betrayed as a customer. I hope you are fucking happy. I think GOM wants to show good Starcraft. Not drone rushing. Fans are mad obviously Good starcraft... then why is there no punishment when NesTea didn't take the showmatch versus Huk seriously? What about when NesTea threw away the game versus Huk in Group Stage Ro16 by making the most basic practise-league mistakes? What about all the countless cheese done by players in the Arena of Legend or Blizzard Cup itself? Korean progamers themselves have done retarded strategies and builds that show no sign of metagaming and thought put into it with no regard to the viewing experience whatsoever, and Gom hasn't given a crap about that.
I guess the difference is that they never publicly admitted that they made those "mistakes" on purpose so they would lose. It's one thing to do it, it's another to publicly admit to doing it on purpose.
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On December 14 2011 19:22 pookadin wrote:
LOL all these people say they wont buy tickets for GOMTV tourneys anymore but you can bet your bottom dollar on them using the free stream every night anyway....
I don't believe a word of it from anyone. They'll all come back to watch idra and HuK 
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It's the right choice. Throwing games purposely is a disgrace for korean progamers that strive to join these cups and pride themselves on the honor of a win. Allowing such behaviour only leads to matchfixing, making an example out of byun, coca and naniwa is great.
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the removal of seed is an overreaction, but naniwa should have known about the posible consequences.
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On December 14 2011 19:24 andaylin wrote:
"@LorangerChris if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?"\
for those defending Naniwa, be grateful he wasn't Korean lol.
Saying that someone should be happy they was tortured beacuse they could have been killed is not really a positiove spin on it.
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On December 14 2011 19:18 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:08 Bayyne wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 -y0shi- wrote:
GSL is a joke lol...
Im kinda new and planned on purchasing a ticket for the first time but nope, never will get money for this shit in my life...
This is soo disgusting, seriously. If he says he couldnt have played a good game anyways and couldnt deliver a good show, then what is the point of forcing him to play?
had he just 4 gated, same result... You've obviously never played organized sports have you? If so, you would understand that despite being in a losing and unwinnable situation, you still try your best. When the Lakers are whooping on the Clippers by 30 points with 2minutes left in the game, the refs don't just call it quits. The coach of the Clippers doesn't forfeit the game. The players still play the game out. It's called being sportsmanlike, and if you don't act that way you deserve the repurcussions given to you. Because they cant since theoretical something impossible could happen.. Like the munich vs manchester game.. But the referee finishes the game the moment the official time is over..
It's not theoretical in MANY situations. I can come up with countless scenarios where it is mathematically impossible with the time of possession for each team, etc., where one team just cannot win with the time left. In those situations, you still see professional athletes play the game out.
Now, to the many people comparing the idra IPL situation, and the Demuslim situations, I agree as well. If I was running those tournaments, I would do something as well. Unless there is some physical impediment that is making you unable to continue the game/series, you should be expected to give it your 100%. It is an amateurish and immature attitude to think that just because you are eliminated, you don't have to give even an ounce of effort to finish your matches.
The sad thing for Naniwa though is that he unfortunately has to be the guy who's made an example of.
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On December 14 2011 19:24 Shortizz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:22 pookadin wrote:
LOL all these people say they wont buy tickets for GOMTV tourneys anymore but you can bet your bottom dollar on them using the free stream every night anyway.... Pretty much. I highly doubt the viewership from sweden for GSL will decrease. If anything, most of them just wont pay for it but stay up for the free stream anyways.
they'll be paying to watch Morrow and Jinro anyways lol.
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Naniwa out, IdrA + SEn in? I'll take the latter 2 anyday.
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On December 14 2011 19:19 talismania wrote:
ironic that naniwa, king of the 4 gate, should have just 4-gated...
"Naniwa only abuses blink stalkers, thats all I see from him!"
"Naniwa only all-ins with 2-base Colussus timings!"
Apperantly, Naniwa is the king of many strategies.
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On December 14 2011 19:23 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:17 Ktk wrote:
Lol at everyone saying "oh man i'm not going to support GOM because I'm angry at them".
GSL will go on without you. I guess you guys aren't capable of respecting other peoples' opinions. Especially the ones that matter (that is, GOM staff as a whole).
Seriously? Let it go on without us then, if enough people boycott it because of this stupid ruling, we'll make an impact. I'm not doing it to "teach GSL a lesson", I'm doing it because it's not right and it goes against everything I believe in.
Thats funny, because just about te same amount of ppl, if not more supported this move by GOM lmao.
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On December 14 2011 19:23 anomalopidae wrote:
I don't understand this. Why wasn't Nestea banned as well then? Playing drunk is way worse than what Naniwa did and Nestea did it in Code S group play. If any professional athlete was drunk during competition he'd receive severe punishment. I suppose it's just a way to prevent foreigners being successful in Korea.
You havent seen FruitDealer I take it
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On December 14 2011 19:20 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?
Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money. I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him. Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish. You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money?
Why can't we call into question the mentality of only caring about prize money? That's juvenile and I expect more.
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On December 14 2011 19:24 CrimsonSpire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:21 TheExile19 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:18 CrimsonSpire wrote:
I love how everyone is talking about "Professionalism" in progaming, and Leenock just did a Roach dance to tilt MC.
The Naniwa punishment was by far overboard. do you people think at all before posting things like this? do you think leenock playing a full game and doing typical korean BM style :: naniwa skipping out on playing a game for his fans, the people that paid to see him play and the general welfare of the company paying him to play games for them because he was in an emo mood are in any way comparable as an analogy? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't complain about the lack of professionalism and then turn around and allow it because you feel like it. Either punish everyone for it, or don't punish anyone about it.
but they are entirely different things...
clearly everyone (except for those who want to use it as an argument) thinks what naniwa did (quitting a game because he was sad he lost) is different from what leenock did (tried to get inside his opponent's head in a bo5 where he was down 0-2)
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On December 14 2011 19:20 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?
Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money. I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him. Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish. You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money?
I don't think anyone except Naniwa can truly answer that without simply making something up.
I don't understand what Naniwa ACTUALLY wants out of playing.
Beating Nestea would be a great medal, a much better accomplishment then winning a random online tournament for example.
Even if it's not tournament results, it is A RESULT to be proud of.
He clearly doesn't have a lot of pride or dignity in his play, at least judging from that match, this was actually noted by Quantic Twitter.
They said the match was for Pride just before it started and they clearly did not consult Naniwa before that post.
Then again, he might just be completely oblivious to what people consider professionalism standards in the industry and believed Nestea wouldn't care about the game as well. He would be wrong.
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