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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:10 mrflakes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:07 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 19:02 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 vali wrote:
This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket. GSL is a joke for taking itself seriously? Do you even realize what you just said? Its a joke for a big organisation like gom to ban players at their discretion with no rules being broken Naniwa did break a rule. He disrespected Nestea by not playing out the game (Regardless of whether or not it mattered), and he disrespected the audience by robbing them of a potentially good game because he decided it wasn't worth his effort, despite the fact that Naniwa is supposed to be a "Pro-gamer".
This is bullshit. So basically, cheese is a bannable offence then? Manner nexux? Manner mule? Because Nestea, or any other player could view it as disrespectful if someone decides to cheese or manner mule them in a tournament. And besides, naniwa he did play out the game. Obviously not to the best of his ability. But once again, that is completely subjective. Had he simply left the game or refused to play, that is a more clear cut situation.
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On December 14 2011 19:16 LiLSighKoh wrote:
They might have not been their A-team but they sure didn't throw away games like Naniwa did.
I actually didn't mean the games themselves. The original argument was "people paid to see the best possible" (which I don't think is a valid reason for punishing someone like that) and they didn't get that in both cases (although 3 of the 4 games NaNiWa played were pretty awesome).
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LOL all these people say they wont buy tickets for GOMTV tourneys anymore but you can bet your bottom dollar on them using the free stream every night anyway....
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Im not playing GomTV another dollar, fucking pathetic.
Shame, I guess I can still buy handsome nerd Tshirts to support dan and nick.
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On December 14 2011 19:19 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:18 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:16 Drizzt3 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no. According to the rules, yes he did. What rule did he break? GOM has a rule in which you are deemed to be unfit of the title of progamer they can ban you. I translate it: "If we don't like you we can kick you!"
More like "If you don't have integrity then gtfo."
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On December 14 2011 19:21 yotis wrote:
Seems it's just difference in cultures, this would never happened in west tournament. Well I suppose thats what you get when you f*ck Koreans.
Something should've been done at MLG Providence in my opinion. It was much worse.
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HERE IS A BIG ISSUE:
Naniwa PUBLICLY stated he threw the match.
GomTV couldn't ignore the situation after that fact.
Naniwa's first mistake was throwing the match.
His second mistake was publicly admitting to it.
He could have played the game (poorly if necessary) or said nothing afterwards.
It would be a LITTLE bit harder to enforce this ban if there was so confession.
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Maybe this will teach naniwa some manners :/ But, I really doubt it will, nothing else seems to have so far. Really I don't see why people are outraged though, given his code A record he was most likely gonna get knocked out of code S in the first round, this way they're getting it over with and taking a stand on an issue they believe in. And yeah you can go complain to gomtv all you want that you won't buy a ticket because of this, but what you don't understand is how disrespectful the koreans view what naniwa did, and how many ticket sales they probably would've lost had they NOT done anything.
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i exepceted a punishment but this is too harsh.
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On December 14 2011 19:19 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:18 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:16 Drizzt3 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no. According to the rules, yes he did. What rule did he break? GOM has a rule in which you are deemed to be unfit of the title of progamer they can ban you. I translate it: "If we don't like you we can kick you!"
Same rule blizzard has about TOS and terminating an account.
I'll be interested to see what NaNi says about it. Another joke tournament?
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Could PLZ someone say what the EXACT WORDS were, which Naniwa is punished for?
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I'm not going to watch GSL. Period.
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On December 14 2011 19:21 PandaTank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:07 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 19:02 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 vali wrote:
This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket. GSL is a joke for taking itself seriously? Do you even realize what you just said? Its a joke for a big organisation like gom to ban players at their discretion with no rules being broken Naniwa did break a rule. He disrespected Nestea by not playing out the game (Regardless of whether or not it mattered), and he disrespected the audience by robbing them of a potentially good game because he decided it wasn't worth his effort, despite the fact that Naniwa is supposed to be a "Pro-gamer". This is bullshit. So basically, cheese is a bannable offence then? Manner nexux? Manner mule? Because Nestea, or any other player could view it as disrespectful if someone decides to cheese or manner mule them in a tournament. And besides, naniwa he did play out the game. Obviously not to the best of his ability. But once again, that is completely subjective. Had he simply left the game or refused to play, that is a more clear cut situation.
you think 1-a your entire probe line and proceed to do absolutely nothing, not even microing any of them isn't clear cut?
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On December 14 2011 19:17 Troopi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:09 labbe wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. I cannot believe that I have supported GOMTV with my money until now. I have paid for almost every season so far, and then they go ahead and do this kind of shit? I am never ever watching another GSL event, and I am sure as hell not buying any more tickets.
This is literally just shitting on their viewers. Do they really expect people to pay for their sevices, and get emotionally engaged in their players, when they just ban players on a whim? Not even a warning? Not a fine?
GOMTV, I sincerely regret to ever have bought your services, and I feel utterly betrayed as a customer. I hope you are fucking happy. I think GOM wants to show good Starcraft. Not drone rushing. Fans are mad obviously
Good starcraft... then why is there no punishment when NesTea didn't take the showmatch versus Huk seriously? What about when NesTea threw away the game versus Huk in Group Stage Ro16 by making the most basic practise-league mistakes? What about all the countless cheese done by players in the Arena of Legend or Blizzard Cup itself?
Korean progamers themselves have done retarded strategies and builds that show no sign of metagaming and thought put into it with no regard to the viewing experience whatsoever, and Gom hasn't given a crap about that.
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On December 14 2011 19:21 PandaTank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:07 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 19:02 mrflakes wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 vali wrote:
This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket. GSL is a joke for taking itself seriously? Do you even realize what you just said? Its a joke for a big organisation like gom to ban players at their discretion with no rules being broken Naniwa did break a rule. He disrespected Nestea by not playing out the game (Regardless of whether or not it mattered), and he disrespected the audience by robbing them of a potentially good game because he decided it wasn't worth his effort, despite the fact that Naniwa is supposed to be a "Pro-gamer". This is bullshit. So basically, cheese is a bannable offence then? Manner nexux? Manner mule? Because Nestea, or any other player could view it as disrespectful if someone decides to cheese or manner mule them in a tournament. And besides, naniwa he did play out the game. Obviously not to the best of his ability. But once again, that is completely subjective. Had he simply left the game or refused to play, that is a more clear cut situation.
I think it's more of the fact that he A-moved his probes to NesTea's base and then took his hands off the keyboard.
Literally not playing the game at all.
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On December 14 2011 19:21 Tommylew wrote:
fuck gsl. fuck it. Nah fuck you GOMTV.
Now id like you to ban a lot more then fucking Nani. NO more fucking about anyone one talk ing ame. ban. anyone do anythign outside of GSL then ban...
Will enever watch GOM again. Sorry.
What are you apologizing for? Be happy, you've made all our days brighter!
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GOM is overreacting way too much. How about giving him a warning? Which would be a warning for proberushing instead of playing an irrelevant game halfheartedly anyway. Taking away his Code S Seed is defintely justified -.- ...not
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On December 14 2011 19:21 Tommylew wrote:
fuck gsl. fuck it. Nah fuck you GOMTV.
Now id like you to ban a lot more then fucking Nani. NO more fucking about anyone one talk ing ame. ban. anyone do anythign outside of GSL then ban...
Will enever watch GOM again. Sorry.
Lol, kinda extreme there mate.
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On December 14 2011 19:03 Luppy1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:00 VonDarkmore wrote:
I did some re-search and I could not find in any of GOM’s rules that what Naniwa did was against even part of a rule?
You mean you need rules to determine what's right and what's wrong? That's kinda sad, imo. There are plenty of things in this world that are not illegal to do but completely frowned upon when it's done.
I understand your point of view but I did not say I need rules for everything on the planet, just for the GOM tournament which is a competitive sport, sports need some rules so people cannot cheat, however you have to make enough rules to cover any specific actions you do not wish to happen in competitive sports.
Otherwise if the sport of boxing missed the rule where some guy can enter the feather weight division and win it easily because he is 60kg bigger sure people would say he should be proud of himself he beat up on smaller people but no rule stopped him from doing so.
Or soccer missed the off-side rule and every team had one guy standing right next to the goal keeper until a huge kick comes down the centre...
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On December 14 2011 19:19 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:17 hugman wrote:
Tbh he probably needed a real wake up call What kind would that be exactly? If you wanna be the best SC2 player, you have to lie to your fans and audience and pretend you care about games, that don't mean anything?
A wake-up call telling you to respect a tournament or league. Just a while back he called MLG "a joke of a tournament" and now this
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