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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:21 Vardant wrote: But this the first time it happened here. They never forced these games out in the GSL. I would like to point out that in up/down matches if the game is meaningless they dont play them. So I dont understand why this ever even happened. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:21 TheExile19 wrote: do you people think at all before posting things like this? do you think leenock playing a full game and doing typical korean BM style :: naniwa skipping out on playing a game for his fans, the people that paid to see him play and the general welfare of the company paying him to play games for them because he was in an emo mood are in any way comparable as an analogy? Oh, so when it's a typical korean BM, it's fine...someone should have told Naniwa. Looks like the unwritten rules are piling up. | ||
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TI444
5 Posts
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:20 Weemoed wrote: Which is a strange rule because it doesn't describe anything. In the end, it gives GOM the option to ban a player according to this rule without explaining why the person was banned. In this case it is obvious (although I don't agree) but such rules are not good for a proffessional organisation. The rule should be explained in much more detail. At this moment, it just says 'if we don't like you, you can get banned'. Brilliant. ever hear of Unsportsmanlike Conduct in football? not all rules can be cut and dry. They don't have to be if people behave like professionals because it's clear when someone else breaks them. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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sirachman
United States270 Posts
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CAPSLOCKED
563 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:19 KiNGxXx wrote: I translate it: "If we don't like you we can kick you!" Most accurate translation I've read in a while | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:21 PandaTank wrote: This is bullshit. So basically, cheese is a bannable offence then? Manner nexux? Manner mule? Because Nestea, or any other player could view it as disrespectful if someone decides to cheese or manner mule them in a tournament. And besides, naniwa he did play out the game. Obviously not to the best of his ability. But once again, that is completely subjective. Had he simply left the game or refused to play, that is a more clear cut situation. it's not cheese. it's throwing the game. there's a difference. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
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IMMABEASTBRUH
United States271 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:15 MooMooMugi wrote: Exactly. When you go to a tournament knowing the format, you know perfectly you could lose every single game. Had he just 4 gate it would have saved so much of Naniwa's reputation even if the strategy had a low chance of success While it rocks that you agreed with me, I HAVE TO TAKE THIS EVEN FURTHER: I don't think simply TRYING is enough. NO. When I see someone of naniwa's talent, I PRAY he will have the mentality of a champion. I don't just expect that he feigns effort; I expect that he exerts it AT EVERY CORNER POSSILBE. YES, this is a lofty expectation of a player. BUT, I DESPERATE the coming of a new player like Boxer was to BW. I ASSUME, many pro-players dream of becoming as iconic as the aforementioned boss of esports. Boxer doesn't post anywhere near the results naniwa does in SC2; you know what is ballin as hell though???? Boxer walks into his opponents booth and shakes his hand regardless of the outcome. THAT IS SO GODDAMN FOLLOWABLE I CAN BARELY DESCRIBE IT Naniwa has talent that is BEGGING for viewership. If he applied himself and put EVERYTHING HES GOT into EVERY game he plays on a stage people would simply follow him. You would have no choice. Because it would show both talent, and the mentality of a FUCKING CHAMPION This is why I am disappoint; not because what he did is unprecedented or TOTALLY OUT OF THIS REALM, but because I expect more from the players I idolize. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:17 Ktk wrote: Lol at everyone saying "oh man i'm not going to support GOM because I'm angry at them". GSL will go on without you. I guess you guys aren't capable of respecting other peoples' opinions. Especially the ones that matter (that is, GOM staff as a whole). Seriously? Let it go on without us then, if enough people boycott it because of this stupid ruling, we'll make an impact. I'm not doing it to "teach GSL a lesson", I'm doing it because it's not right and it goes against everything I believe in. | ||
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:22 Inflicted_ wrote: Good starcraft... then why is there no punishment when NesTea didn't take the showmatch versus Huk seriously? What about when NesTea threw away the game versus Huk in Group Stage Ro16 by making the most basic practise-league mistakes? What about all the countless cheese done by players in the Arena of Legend or Blizzard Cup itself? Korean progamers themselves have done retarded strategies and builds that show no sign of metagaming and thought put into it with no regard to the viewing experience whatsoever, and Gom hasn't given a crap about that. I think it's more of the fact that he A-moved his probes to NesTea's base and then took his hands off the keyboard. Literally not playing the game at all. | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
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CutieBK
Sweden227 Posts
Here's hoping every pro-gamer learns something from this! | ||
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CrimsonSpire
9 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:21 TheExile19 wrote: do you people think at all before posting things like this? do you think leenock playing a full game and doing typical korean BM style :: naniwa skipping out on playing a game for his fans, the people that paid to see him play and the general welfare of the company paying him to play games for them because he was in an emo mood are in any way comparable as an analogy? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't complain about the lack of professionalism and then turn around and allow it because you feel like it. Either punish everyone for it, or don't punish anyone about it. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:22 MrCash wrote: HERE IS A BIG ISSUE: Naniwa PUBLICLY stated he threw the match. GomTV couldn't ignore the situation after that fact. Naniwa's first mistake was throwing the match. His second mistake was publicly admitting to it. He could have played the game (poorly if necessary) or said nothing afterwards. It would be a LITTLE bit harder to enforce this ban if there was so confession. Good point. If Naniwa had said "Worker Rush can sometimes beat 6 pool, so I took a chance and prayed, only to give up when I saw it wasn't a 6 pool" then he may not have received a ban. You need to be careful about what you say after you do something so drastic. | ||
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Derrida
2885 Posts
Imagine what would happen if teams who couldnt qualify for playoff stopped doing stupid shit on national television during games in NBA? | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:22 Inflicted_ wrote: Good starcraft... then why is there no punishment when NesTea didn't take the showmatch versus Huk seriously? What about when NesTea threw away the game versus Huk in Group Stage Ro16 by making the most basic practise-league mistakes? What about all the countless cheese done by players in the Arena of Legend or Blizzard Cup itself? Korean progamers themselves have done retarded strategies and builds that show no sign of metagaming and thought put into it with no regard to the viewing experience whatsoever, and Gom hasn't given a crap about that. Show match wasnt part of the tournament. It was something silly for the audience/stream purposes. This was part of a tournament that was legit. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:23 gogatorsfoster wrote: I would like to point out that in up/down matches if the game is meaningless they dont play them. So I dont understand why this ever even happened. difference between an invite tourney with the best in the world and a match played purely for next season's placement any naniwa fan who didn't get excited when they looked at the upcoming match and saw that nani was definitely going to play nestea is crazy! | ||
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