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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?
Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money. I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him. Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish.
You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money?
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OMG... GSL just lost my love... 
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To all the ppl crying about asking for a refund/not buying a ticket now.
Heres a viewer who decides to buy a ticket because Gom set the standard and took away Naniwa's spot. 
Stop being blind fanboys and recognise that he went to a community and sheit all over their culture/Screw up esports BETTING which is kinda big in Korea involving RL money. He farked up, he got punished for it, Gl in future.
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On December 14 2011 19:18 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:16 Drizzt3 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no. According to the rules, yes he did. What rule did he break? GOM has a rule in which you are deemed to be unfit of the title of progamer they can ban you.
Which is a strange rule because it doesn't describe anything. In the end, it gives GOM the option to ban a player according to this rule without explaining why the person was banned. In this case it is obvious (although I don't agree) but such rules are not good for a proffessional organisation. The rule should be explained in much more detail. At this moment, it just says 'if we don't like you, you can get banned'. Brilliant.
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On December 14 2011 19:14 anatem wrote:
i actually started writing something detailed here with some important points to be made but changed my mind, because in the end everything will be discussed and all that remains is that holy fuck is GSL not getting any more money from me in foreseeable future,
i'm really at a loss for words at how ridiculous, narrow-minded and vengeful this move is.
professional standards? delusional people supporting the move of a delusional gsl crew who got butthurt that a player didn't want to play their meaningless epic storyline showmatch for free to get them cash from viewers after both he and his opponent were down 0-3, broken mentally and would have played like shit anyway, all in the name of savior paranoia, korean ego, and the pretense of professionalism. think it through chaps.
Agreed. It is a shame that the foreign community won't get behind him to get the decision overturned.
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Seems it's just difference in cultures, this would never happened in west tournament. Well I suppose thats what you get when you f*ck Koreans.
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On December 14 2011 19:20 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:18 perestain wrote:On December 14 2011 19:17 Troopi wrote:On December 14 2011 19:09 labbe wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. I cannot believe that I have supported GOMTV with my money until now. I have paid for almost every season so far, and then they go ahead and do this kind of shit? I am never ever watching another GSL event, and I am sure as hell not buying any more tickets.
This is literally just shitting on their viewers. Do they really expect people to pay for their sevices, and get emotionally engaged in their players, when they just ban players on a whim? Not even a warning? Not a fine?
GOMTV, I sincerely regret to ever have bought your services, and I feel utterly betrayed as a customer. I hope you are fucking happy. I think GOM wants to show good Starcraft. Not drone rushing. Fans are mad obviously If they want to show good starcraft they should give players an incentive to compete instead of forcing idiotic showmatches. "pointless" games are played in sports all the time
But this the first time it happened here. They never forced these games out in the GSL.
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Naniwa to suicide-watch!!!
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Such an overeaction. Banning him for one season doesnt sound so bad, but forcing him to climb up through the code A qualifier, up code a, and the up and down matches into code S. The punishment does not fit the crime.
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On December 14 2011 19:18 CrimsonSpire wrote:
I love how everyone is talking about "Professionalism" in progaming, and Leenock just did a Roach dance to tilt MC.
The Naniwa punishment was by far overboard.
do you people think at all before posting things like this? do you think leenock playing a full game and doing typical korean BM style :: naniwa skipping out on playing a game for his fans, the people that paid to see him play and the general welfare of the company paying him to play games for them because he was in an emo mood are in any way comparable as an analogy?
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Well done by Gom! Pro players should respect the game, respect each other, respect the organizations that invest money in the tournaments they play in and the spectators that pay money to watch their games. Without these organizations and the spectators they would not be able to make a living out of their passion. What Naniwa did was disrespectful on several levels (for Nestea, for Gom and Blizz and for all the spectators, not to mention the spirit of the game). If he thought the format of the tournament was flawed he shouldn't have accepted to play in it from the beginning.
In Soccer World Cup (qualifications and final tournament) many games that are played are "meaningless", as neither of the two teams has chances to qualify anymore, but they still play, you dont see one of the teams forfeiting or leaving the field after two minutes and say: Hey, we have better things to do than playing this useless match and running like idiots for 90 minutes with nothing at stake. What do you think FIFA would do in such a case?
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I don't agree with decision at all. It's so ridiculous.
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GOM can throw him out if they want to, it's their league, but I don't like MrChae's slander
How is Nani a "prize money hunter" when he's one of the few people who just really wants to be the best at all costs?
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**** gsl. **** it. Nah **** you GOMTV.
Now id like you to ban a lot more then fucking Nani. NO more fucking about anyone one talk ing ame. ban. anyone do anythign outside of GSL then ban...
Will enever watch GOM again. Sorry.
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On December 14 2011 19:17 Ktk wrote:
Lol at everyone saying "oh man i'm not going to support GOM because I'm angry at them".
GSL will go on without you. I guess you guys aren't capable of respecting other peoples' opinions. Especially the ones that matter (that is, GOM staff as a whole).
Seriously?
I see it more as identifying and expressing disgust at an injustice, no rules were broken, he played the game how he decided, there is no way any sane person can have a problem with that.
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On December 14 2011 19:19 HappyChris wrote:
this must be a joke huge overraction.. Im defiantly not gonna pay to watch GSL anymore wtf.
He didnt broke any rules at all and thats a fact. Should he have done it? No. But banning him from GSL a spot he earned?.
It seems the koreans just dont like Naniwa and wanted him out nothing todo with justice or fairness
it has nothing to do with "we dont like him". And he only lost his code s spot.
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Assume the translation for the rule being cited is correct I still don't really see how probe rushing qualifies as abusive. Sucks to see naniwa out of code s. GOM just lost a customer in me, at least KeSPA has not vague rules.
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On December 14 2011 19:18 CrimsonSpire wrote:
I love how everyone is talking about "Professionalism" in progaming, and Leenock just did a Roach dance to tilt MC.
The Naniwa punishment was by far overboard.
I know right so hypocritical. Please tell me why would anyone get mad after someone scores a touchdown if they do a little dance?
But would you be mad if there was a rivalry match that was worth absolutely nothing, played against two professional NFL teams (i don't watch sports cant tell you a rivalry) that was broadcast live and to thousands of people watching, and then the kickoff happening and one team just running off the field into the locker room.
Can you compare those two? Please try to, I want to see how delusional you are.
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On December 14 2011 19:08 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:07 HuK wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote:
to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:
imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have
a) no gsl spot
b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse
c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely
I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good i agree with this, i guess question is should foreigners receive special treatment like they have been so far or be treated more on par with koreans? I respect GSL for sticking to their standards and not making exceptions. Same thing occurred to Coca.
Agree, coca withdraw in similar fashion. Good job to GOM, at least they are consistent.
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I hope Naniwa can learn from this, even if the punishment might be questionable. I sort of had a feeling this kind of thing would happen, given his incredibly.. colourful history with teams and behavior problems. I just sincerely hope he doesn't take this too hard and continues to show us great games
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