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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#441
On December 14 2011 19:16 Drizzt3 wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no.

According to the rules, yes he did.


What rule did he break?

GOM has a rule in which you are deemed to be unfit of the title of progamer they can ban you.
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ChatimentZ
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium227 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#442
This business is so srs
sup son
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#443
Well I e-mailed GOM that I probably won't buy anymore tickets if this is true, and I've bought every single ticket since season 1.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#444
On December 14 2011 19:03 Veldril wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:00 Asha` wrote:
Fine by me, Nani repeatedly seems to showcase a lack of professionalism.

Looking forward to watching the games of whoever replaces him =)


Sen replaces him so it's not that bad.

BTW, it seems that there actually rules against what Naniwa's did, as posted by TBO and CryingPoo in the other thread:
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GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.

- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


If Naniwa is viewed as disrespectful to his opponent and viewer then it would be fit with the second rule, and again they can deny entry as they want from the first place.

This ^
Agree 100%. What he did was disrespectful and completely unprofessional. The punishment is justified.
Long live the King of Wings
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#445
This thread title is a little misleading. He's banned for 1 season, not permanently
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Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#446
I actually can't wait to buy my ticket now

give the spot to someone that deserves it and doesn't turn into a child when they lose

someone with pride in themselves and their team
Stroke Me Lady Fame
CrimsonSpire
Profile Joined December 2011
9 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#447
I love how everyone is talking about "Professionalism" in progaming, and Leenock just did a Roach dance to tilt MC.

The Naniwa punishment was by far overboard.
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#448
On December 14 2011 19:17 Troopi wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:09 labbe wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. I cannot believe that I have supported GOMTV with my money until now. I have paid for almost every season so far, and then they go ahead and do this kind of shit? I am never ever watching another GSL event, and I am sure as hell not buying any more tickets.

This is literally just shitting on their viewers. Do they really expect people to pay for their sevices, and get emotionally engaged in their players, when they just ban players on a whim? Not even a warning? Not a fine?

GOMTV, I sincerely regret to ever have bought your services, and I feel utterly betrayed as a customer. I hope you are fucking happy.


I think GOM wants to show good Starcraft. Not drone rushing.

Fans are mad obviously


If they want to show good starcraft they should give players an incentive to compete instead of forcing idiotic showmatches.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
luck_star21
Profile Joined April 2011
United States264 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#449
The guy's nickname name is even based around an anime thats theme is based around finding out what it means to be strong or to be a champion.. what about him says prize money hunter ._.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:21:34
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#450
I hope he realizes how to act the next time something like this happens, hopefully like a professional and not an amateur.

"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 14 2011 10:18 GMT
#451
On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?

Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money.


I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him.
Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#452
Hahahaha, what's really laughable is there's a lot of people fighting for the "right" of a player with a 1-11 record to play in Code S. Naniwa never deserved that place on the first place. God knows i'm not an Idra fan, you could probably say i'm a hater, but based on his record alone, he's several times more fit for code S than Naniwa. When you have such a bad record as Naniwa, you could at least try to act like a pro.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
pookadin
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia422 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#453
Lol at people here comparing 6 pool and 4gate to Naniwa a-moving all his probes and then taking his hands off the keyboard. Get some perspective and stop supporting this extremely shameful display because he is a foreigner...

I dont even think that behaviour would have flown at any big western tournament like MLG. I applaud GOMTV and MrChae for maintaining the high standard of players in the GSL tournaments.
*JYP* #1 fan! ♥♥ twitter~ @Pookadin
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#454
IF he only lost his seed and isn't banned, he might be able to just qualify.

Given the way he's been playing lately, he might actually qualify for Code A.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#455
ironic that naniwa, king of the 4 gate, should have just 4-gated...
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#456
good decision
FTD
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#457
On December 14 2011 19:17 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:12 jalstar wrote:
Uh DeMuslim worker rushed in ESWC qualifiers when he found out he couldn't go, it's not like worker rushing as a means of forfeiting a game is unprecedented.

And Naniwa did tell GOM he intended to forfeit the game IIRC.


Telling GOM that he intended to forfeit and GOM told him to play the match out...what does anyone expect to happen to naniwa after not playing the match out? The punishment was obviously going to come. =T

If it's true that he hold them he intended to forfeit GOM seriously should have warned him beforehand that this would be what they were gonna do.

Once again.... such a horrible move by GOM, it's amazing how quickly they can blow away all their respect with one move.
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#458
On December 14 2011 19:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
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On December 14 2011 19:01 bartus88 wrote:
Without a doubt the wrong decision. What Naniwa did was not smart, but excluding him for forcing him to play a pointless match does not make any sense.

GSL needs to recognize they are partly to blame for what happened. I've lost some respect for Mr. Chae.


I can guarantee you that Polt, Leenock, Nestea, or MMA would have played that game out whether it mattered or not.

GOM isn't to blame for Naniwa essentially rage quitting out of their tournament after he got massacred in his previous matches.

Naniwa doesn't have a professional enough demeanor to play in GOM's tournaments and as far as I'm concerned if he's capable of doing this once he's capable of doing it again.

GOM's call to make. It's their seed to hand out. If Naniwa doesn't want to play for it in the Blizzard Cup I know there are plenty of players as good or better than he is in the Code A up and downs that would've played out that match he threw for that spot.

GOM pays their players just for BEING in Code S, they treat their players well enough for them to tolerate a sup optimal format. the MLG has a worse format and pays its players less.

Good riddance.


I don't usually argue with people on the internet, but your post is pretty uninformed and I hope that by pointing it out to you, you'll put more thoughts into what you say next time.

First of all, just because other people players would act differently doesn't make Naniwa's actions wrong. This is a really big logical mistake that people make all the time and it annoys me a lot.

Second, I don't think you watched his games at all. In fact, I'm sure of it. He did not get massacred at all, all his previous games were pretty close.

Third, just because he did it once, doesn't mean he'll do it again. I believe chances are pretty big he won't do it again if they gave him a severe warning. You're implying people are incapable of change, which I hope isn't true, otherwise this post will have been useless.
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Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#459
On December 14 2011 19:17 hugman wrote:
Tbh he probably needed a real wake up call

What kind would that be exactly?

If you wanna be the best SC2 player, you have to lie to your fans and audience and pretend you care about games, that don't mean anything?
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
December 14 2011 10:19 GMT
#460
On December 14 2011 19:17 Ktk wrote:
Lol at everyone saying "oh man i'm not going to support GOM because I'm angry at them".

GSL will go on without you. I guess you guys aren't capable of respecting other peoples' opinions. Especially the ones that matter (that is, GOM staff as a whole).

Seriously?

Yes, GSL will go on without me. This has nothing to do with not accepting GOMs decision, it's about not supporting it. The way to do it is by not paying.
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