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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 Maenander wrote:
It's funny they call Naniwa a prizemoney hunter as he is about the only foreign star besides Huk and Jinro that said he wants to compete with the best in Code S rather than make easy money outside of korea.
Huk and Jinro play at their very best no matter how tired they are. Last time I checked they seem to devote more time by staying in korea full time for almost a year now. Not even trying to execute even a simple build is the retarded thing.
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On December 14 2011 18:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
I love Mr. Chae.
Good job for having standards.
double ones, that is
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So they are not supposed to be competitive gamers now, but entertainers and actors?
Well, I'm not entertained by this farce.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 Reggae-Troll wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 Chise wrote:On December 14 2011 19:09 Reggae-Troll wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 eakzor wrote:
GOM overreacting, whats next? Ban 6pool? There's a difference with 6-pool and 6-probe a-move. Right decision to ban him imo, if people don't get punished for throwing temper tantrums they'll just keep doing them. And the difference is what exactly? 6-pool is a valid strategy and can win games.
Huk played 2vs1 on TL attack a while ago and was Probe rushed. He won.
Yes, his opponents weren't pro gamers, but still, it's not impossible.
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Geez, this is way too harsh. A warning that such behavior will result in a ban would have been enough. He didn't exactly break any rule. I find it hard to believe that they are seriously doing that.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 AtariJesus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:11 Logros wrote:
They're calling Naniwa a prize-money hunter, but why did they accept Stephano in the Blizzcup when he is only playing this year to make as much money as possible? I thought the same thing. Most players are in it because they can make money.
Not to mention competing solely in the GSL (which is what Naniwa is doing) is the worst way to make the most money.
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On December 14 2011 19:11 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:09 eakzor wrote:
In the end all pro-gamers play to win, if you're not in a position to win or gain anything, whats there to play for? Apparently his team thought it was the biggest grudge match of the century.
IDK if the tone of this convo is sarcastic but i'lll dive in anways:
You play to better yourself. To gain viewership for yourself, your team and your sponsors. You act as an adult in the face of trying times and you gulp down the tears and you pride and you rip your hands across the keyboard and mouse to display your skills once again.
Naniwa will never be a champion. His mentality shown forthwith speaks leagues about this potential as a player.
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i actually started writing something detailed here with some important points to be made but changed my mind, because in the end everything will be discussed and all that remains is that holy fuck is GSL not getting any more money from me in foreseeable future,
i'm really at a loss for words at how ridiculous, narrow-minded and vengeful this move is.
professional standards? delusional people supporting the move of a delusional gsl crew who got butthurt that a player didn't want to play their meaningless epic storyline showmatch for free to get them cash from viewers after both he and his opponent were down 0-3, broken mentally and would have played like shit anyway, all in the name of savior paranoia, korean ego, and the pretense of professionalism. think it through chaps.
edit: i could care les for nani right now, what he did was a douchy move that was disresepectful to his fans, but i support the guy 100% because i'm using my brain. even if i didn't, the responses of people like choya or the mvp team are so far out of line that there should be sanctions against them, and removing nani's seed on a whim is the exact same thing if not a lot worse than what nani did, and for the exact same reason. so the hypocrisy and lawlessness in this land of a travesty of esports is kinda killing me right now.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 jalstar wrote:
Uh DeMuslim worker rushed in ESWC qualifiers when he found out he couldn't go, it's not like worker rushing as a means of forfeiting a game is unprecedented.
And Naniwa did tell GOM he intended to forfeit the game IIRC.
Honestly, DeMuslim disappointed me quite a bit when he did that as well...
I understand why he did it, the same as I understand why Naniwa did it, but my professional standards lie along the lines with Koreans.
It's just a difference in culture more than anything else. Naniwa was oblivious to how serious that offense was.
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On December 14 2011 19:13 iCemiLo wrote:
lol @ at the comparisons between 6 pool and probe rushing + not micro-ing
they are even comparing it with bitbybit allins which actually made bitbybit win some games.
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On December 14 2011 19:08 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:04 -y0shi- wrote:
GSL is a joke lol...
Im kinda new and planned on purchasing a ticket for the first time but nope, never will get money for this shit in my life...
This is soo disgusting, seriously. If he says he couldnt have played a good game anyways and couldnt deliver a good show, then what is the point of forcing him to play?
had he just 4 gated, same result... No, naniwa is a joke if anyone. He knew the schedule AS BILLED, way before hand. Any self-respecting and empathetic (of everyone else involved) player would have played out the game not only to better himself but to gain exposure for himself, his team and his sponsors. It's called being a professional at what you do. He shit on the effort put forth to put him in the tournament, to set the tourny up, and to cover the games he played. He has no respect for the effort plenty of other human beings put forth to make the entire thing possible. Yea, he lost 3 rough games. You're a pro. Stop crying. We expect more.
Exactly. When you go to a tournament knowing the format, you know perfectly you could lose every single game.
Had he just 4 gate it would have saved so much of Naniwa's reputation even if the strategy had a low chance of success
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This is really low from GOM, i will not purchase a premium ticket for next seasion now i think
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It doesn't matter if they banned him from GSL or revoked his Code S spot.
If he was allowed to requalify and assuming he made it through the preliminaries, FXO_Lucky would just bend him over again.
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On December 14 2011 19:13 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
I love Mr. Chae.
Good job for having standards. double ones, that is
double standards? where?
point them out bud.
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On December 14 2011 19:11 purpose wrote:
Again Idra was tired at IPL or some tourney and just ignored playing his last groupmatch. Nobody cried for punishment, for him to be banned, or for EG to take actions. Then it was just fair that idra who was jetlaged could skip a game.
But now Naniwa is the nr 1 enemy of esport and for what? He probe rushed in a pointless game that meant nothing. How did that hurt esport, how did that hurt the tourney, how did that hurt anything or anyone at all?
This is just Korea being so damn dramatic and sitting up on their high horse that they got from the BW day, thinking that they rule the SC univers and that everybody must do as they want.
GOMTV should perhaps think that their format is shit, admit that, but say that naniwas actions was not correct and that such behaviour will not be tolerable in the future and it would have been the end of that.
Instead GOMTV puts up a shit format tourney, a player points that out in a bm but justified way and GOMTV just rage and does the worst thing the possibly could.
EPIC FAIL for GOMTV who actually hurt esport more then Naniwa!!
Please take a situation on that day into context too. Idra got a lot of flaks for not playing too but the circumstance is more acceptable. His games are delay for 6 hours because of internet outage. Was he wrong? Yes. But it still can be sympathized more than Naniwa's case.
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Yeah now I definitely won't buy the year subscription I was going to. This is just plain stupid
(to be fair I will probably buy it if any foreigner gets to code s though)
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So one guy probe rushes and gets loses his code S spot in the next tournament? Pretty sure that doesn't break any rules and against a zerg that would go for an early pool is a slightly higher chance to win. Not a smart way to play the game by Nani but he still played the game within the rules.
Lost some respect for GOM with their handling of this issue. GOM should at least take responsibility and acknowledge that their tournament structure allowing meaningless games to be played was one of the contributing factors in creating the issue in the first place.
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If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?
Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money.
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On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote:
to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:
imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have
a) no gsl spot
b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse
c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely
I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good
This is very true. There are unwritten rules in all aspects of life. Ignorance is not an excuse to do whatever you want. If Naniwa cares as much as he says he does, he will take the penalty, qualify for code S next season and show everyone that he is the best.
To be honest I was planning on not watching any of his games in the future if his immaturity had gone unpunished, but if he takes his punishment and re-qualifies I'm willing to give him another chance. It would be a great story to see him grow and mature in Korea.
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On December 14 2011 19:14 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:13 iCemiLo wrote:
lol @ at the comparisons between 6 pool and probe rushing + not micro-ing they are even comparing it with bitbybit allins which actually made bitbybit win some games.
bitbybit actually made barracks. Naniwa could of done a 2 gate zealot rush or something simple that takes very little micro. I don't see how comparing a 6 probe rush to bitbybit is even fair.
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