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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 14 2011 10:12 GMT
#381
On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no.

According to the rules, yes he did.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Reggae-Troll
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland241 Posts
December 14 2011 10:12 GMT
#382
On December 14 2011 19:10 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:09 Reggae-Troll wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:04 eakzor wrote:
GOM overreacting, whats next? Ban 6pool?

There's a difference with 6-pool and 6-probe a-move.
Right decision to ban him imo, if people don't get punished for throwing temper tantrums they'll just keep doing them.

And the difference is what exactly?

6-pool is a valid strategy and can win games.
Do feed the Troll.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 14 2011 10:12 GMT
#383
On December 14 2011 19:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:09 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:03 Veldril wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:00 Asha` wrote:
Fine by me, Nani repeatedly seems to showcase a lack of professionalism.

Looking forward to watching the games of whoever replaces him =)


Sen replaces him so it's not that bad.

BTW, it seems that there actually rules against what Naniwa's did, as posted by TBO and CryingPoo in the other thread:

GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.

- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


If Naniwa is viewed as disrespectful to his opponent and viewer then it would be fit with the second rule, and again they can deny entry as they want from the first place.


Quoting this so more ppl see this.

So according to that rule, if someone six pooled me and danced with the lings, and I viewed it as offensive, they too would be banned from the GSL?


You're not Gom. Gom has every right to do what they do because it's their tournament and they run it.

Alright, fair enough. But how does that relate to the rule? They're going to do it to Naniwa but not my opponent just because it's their tournament?
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 14 2011 10:12 GMT
#384
Uh DeMuslim worker rushed in ESWC qualifiers when he found out he couldn't go, it's not like worker rushing as a means of forfeiting a game is unprecedented.

And Naniwa did tell GOM he intended to forfeit the game IIRC.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 14 2011 10:12 GMT
#385
Wait so is THIS the GSL Code S Slot that Idra received?
leBIGcrab
Profile Joined February 2011
France313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:14:37
December 14 2011 10:12 GMT
#386
If it's true, i'll never buy your membership again, and i won't even watch your GSL games live, nor browses your site. I might even get your VOD's and spread them on internet. I don't care about killing e-sports if that's how it's ruled. Such a bunch of unfair people.

I had respect GOM.

I love IdrA, I hate Nani. But your rules need to change, and your states of mind too.
Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#387
On December 14 2011 19:11 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:10 Madder wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:10 iCemiLo wrote:
if this is true, i support gom's decision anyway

So cool and edgy.


Thanks for the perspective and they well-thought-out content; I applaud your position within the community

I don't support GOM's decision and there is no way in hell I will be giving them my money anymore. Better?
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#388
On December 14 2011 19:10 Maitolasi wrote:
I lost all respect for Gom today. You don't ban someone from your tournament who broke no rules and then proceed to call him dishonorable and a prizemoney hunter on air.

Incredible lack of professionalism by Gom and they just lost a paying customer.


I don't understand.
Naniwa did exactly the same thing if not worse.

He disrespected the tournament, opponent and audience by throwing the game, and he was punished in kind.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#389
On December 14 2011 19:12 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:11 warcralft wrote:
Revoking Code S seed = Good
Banning him from GSL = Not Good.

But i think he isnt banned? Is he?


AFIK, he is only banned for 1 season, I assume with Sen and Idra going to Code S Naniwa may lose his seed for the season after?


Naniwa will just drop down to Code B and have to qualify back up the hard way.
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iCemiLo
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore94 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#390
lol @ at the comparisons between 6 pool and probe rushing + not micro-ing
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#391
On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no.

According to the rules, yes he did.


so can we see these rules and were it say that probe rushing is a rule brake?
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:13:52
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#392
On December 14 2011 19:11 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:10 Madder wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:10 iCemiLo wrote:
if this is true, i support gom's decision anyway

So cool and edgy.


Thanks for the perspective and they well-thought-out content; I applaud your position within the community


Dude, stop trying to warrior in this thread. I'm tiring of your irrational zeal. Holy fuck. It's almost as if you have to respond to everybody that disagrees with you because you subconsciously know you are incorrect.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#393
On December 14 2011 19:07 HuK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote:
to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:

imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have

a) no gsl spot
b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse
c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely

I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good


i agree with this, i guess question is should foreigners receive special treatment like they have been so far or be treated more on par with koreans?



So liquid is dropping hero?
How about coca?
Did eg drop idra?

Answer is no none of them did, so maybe you should actually pay attention before spouting nonsense, if anything they made it worse compared to korean players.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#394
On December 14 2011 19:00 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:00 VonDarkmore wrote:
I did some re-search and I could not find in any of GOM’s rules that what Naniwa did was against even part of a rule?

Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours

it's open to interpretation.


If he did it to me I would walk over to him much like Boxer does after a game and ask him if he was OK (or ask one of the person's friends to console them if I know they are the type of person that does not want to talk to the person that just beat them)
since seeing a person do that I would think they were pretty sad/angry I'm unsure how many people may be like me maybe no one but since the audience/opponent has a different personality type they can be offended by it?
I think interpretation is to broad what about you? I think it is GOM's fault for making it that way, they should add in more specific clarification I believe.
"if your against a tough arse you can probe rush if you are against a sensitive person you cannot"

But I did not see the match If he said something offensive he was deserving of it then.
One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#395
The round robin format is used in many professional tournaments, why people keep saying "useless matches should not be played" is beyond me. Matches are not cancelled because teams have no chance to win. Sponsors pay GOM to help set up the league, there is an expectation of effort on the part of the participants after money has been funneled into a tournament. The distribution of high quality content and making money are what GOM and other professional sports organizations want most.

Also, 6 pool has the possibility of winning and can make for entertaining games if the game can stabilize.
안녕하세요~~
jeffvip
Profile Joined June 2011
211 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#396
Good decision Mr Chae, I will buy the yearly ticket bcos of this decision. keep the standard high
Marine is Terran strongest unit but it might be Terran's biggest weakness. Bcos of Marine so OP, other Terran unit regrettably have to be weak..
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#397
On December 14 2011 19:08 Manking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote:
to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:

imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have

a) no gsl spot
b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse
c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely

I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good

do people get banned for dropping manner mule oder manner nexus? NO
does mc get banned for taunting opponents? NO
did nani really offense his opponent? NO

so why ban him?


It's more about offending the koreans that have paid to watch GOM on cable there. The fans who pay 100 dollars for HQ blizzard cup. They expect you to play your games out. I think to them it was like he basically said.. "ya fuck you guys im out." At least should have played it. It's 1 fucking game. Just 4 gate and get out then. He just made a bad choice and GOM thinks he should pay. If hes good as everyone thinks he will come back and get code S again.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#398
On December 14 2011 19:12 Reggae-Troll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:10 Chise wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:09 Reggae-Troll wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:04 eakzor wrote:
GOM overreacting, whats next? Ban 6pool?

There's a difference with 6-pool and 6-probe a-move.
Right decision to ban him imo, if people don't get punished for throwing temper tantrums they'll just keep doing them.

And the difference is what exactly?

6-pool is a valid strategy and can win games.

Worker rush is a valid strategy that beats a 6 pool.
See the worker rush blog.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
Keeler
Profile Joined November 2010
United States313 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#399
On December 14 2011 19:11 warcralft wrote:
Revoking Code S seed = Good
Banning him from GSL = Not Good.

But i think he isnt banned? Is he?

Just from this first season of GSL 2012, So GSL 2012 January only.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
December 14 2011 10:13 GMT
#400
He should have just 4 gated lol. Only a 6 minute difference.
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