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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote: The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no. According to the rules, yes he did.
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On December 14 2011 19:10 Chise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:09 Reggae-Troll wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 eakzor wrote: GOM overreacting, whats next? Ban 6pool? There's a difference with 6-pool and 6-probe a-move. Right decision to ban him imo, if people don't get punished for throwing temper tantrums they'll just keep doing them. And the difference is what exactly? 6-pool is a valid strategy and can win games.
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On December 14 2011 19:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:09 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 19:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:03 Veldril wrote:On December 14 2011 19:00 Asha` wrote: Fine by me, Nani repeatedly seems to showcase a lack of professionalism.
Looking forward to watching the games of whoever replaces him =) Sen replaces him so it's not that bad. BTW, it seems that there actually rules against what Naniwa's did, as posted by TBO and CryingPoo in the other thread: GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
If Naniwa is viewed as disrespectful to his opponent and viewer then it would be fit with the second rule, and again they can deny entry as they want from the first place. Quoting this so more ppl see this. So according to that rule, if someone six pooled me and danced with the lings, and I viewed it as offensive, they too would be banned from the GSL? You're not Gom. Gom has every right to do what they do because it's their tournament and they run it. Alright, fair enough. But how does that relate to the rule? They're going to do it to Naniwa but not my opponent just because it's their tournament?
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Uh DeMuslim worker rushed in ESWC qualifiers when he found out he couldn't go, it's not like worker rushing as a means of forfeiting a game is unprecedented.
And Naniwa did tell GOM he intended to forfeit the game IIRC.
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Wait so is THIS the GSL Code S Slot that Idra received?
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If it's true, i'll never buy your membership again, and i won't even watch your GSL games live, nor browses your site. I might even get your VOD's and spread them on internet. I don't care about killing e-sports if that's how it's ruled. Such a bunch of unfair people.
I had respect GOM.
I love IdrA, I hate Nani. But your rules need to change, and your states of mind too.
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On December 14 2011 19:11 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 Madder wrote:On December 14 2011 19:10 iCemiLo wrote:if this is true, i support gom's decision anyway  So cool and edgy. Thanks for the perspective and they well-thought-out content; I applaud your position within the community I don't support GOM's decision and there is no way in hell I will be giving them my money anymore. Better?
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On December 14 2011 19:10 Maitolasi wrote: I lost all respect for Gom today. You don't ban someone from your tournament who broke no rules and then proceed to call him dishonorable and a prizemoney hunter on air.
Incredible lack of professionalism by Gom and they just lost a paying customer.
I don't understand. Naniwa did exactly the same thing if not worse.
He disrespected the tournament, opponent and audience by throwing the game, and he was punished in kind.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 slicknav wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:11 warcralft wrote: Revoking Code S seed = Good Banning him from GSL = Not Good.
But i think he isnt banned? Is he? AFIK, he is only banned for 1 season, I assume with Sen and Idra going to Code S Naniwa may lose his seed for the season after?
Naniwa will just drop down to Code B and have to qualify back up the hard way.
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lol @ at the comparisons between 6 pool and probe rushing + not micro-ing
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On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote: The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no. According to the rules, yes he did.
so can we see these rules and were it say that probe rushing is a rule brake?
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On December 14 2011 19:11 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 Madder wrote:On December 14 2011 19:10 iCemiLo wrote:if this is true, i support gom's decision anyway  So cool and edgy. Thanks for the perspective and they well-thought-out content; I applaud your position within the community
Dude, stop trying to warrior in this thread. I'm tiring of your irrational zeal. Holy fuck. It's almost as if you have to respond to everybody that disagrees with you because you subconsciously know you are incorrect.
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On December 14 2011 19:07 HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote: to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:
imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have
a) no gsl spot b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely
I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good i agree with this, i guess question is should foreigners receive special treatment like they have been so far or be treated more on par with koreans?
So liquid is dropping hero? How about coca? Did eg drop idra?
Answer is no none of them did, so maybe you should actually pay attention before spouting nonsense, if anything they made it worse compared to korean players.
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On December 14 2011 19:00 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:00 VonDarkmore wrote: I did some re-search and I could not find in any of GOM’s rules that what Naniwa did was against even part of a rule? Warning or disqualification - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours it's open to interpretation.
If he did it to me I would walk over to him much like Boxer does after a game and ask him if he was OK (or ask one of the person's friends to console them if I know they are the type of person that does not want to talk to the person that just beat them) since seeing a person do that I would think they were pretty sad/angry I'm unsure how many people may be like me maybe no one but since the audience/opponent has a different personality type they can be offended by it? I think interpretation is to broad what about you? I think it is GOM's fault for making it that way, they should add in more specific clarification I believe. "if your against a tough arse you can probe rush if you are against a sensitive person you cannot"
But I did not see the match If he said something offensive he was deserving of it then.
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The round robin format is used in many professional tournaments, why people keep saying "useless matches should not be played" is beyond me. Matches are not cancelled because teams have no chance to win. Sponsors pay GOM to help set up the league, there is an expectation of effort on the part of the participants after money has been funneled into a tournament. The distribution of high quality content and making money are what GOM and other professional sports organizations want most.
Also, 6 pool has the possibility of winning and can make for entertaining games if the game can stabilize.
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Good decision Mr Chae, I will buy the yearly ticket bcos of this decision. keep the standard high
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On December 14 2011 19:08 Manking wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:05 Tofugrinder wrote: to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:
imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have
a) no gsl spot b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely
I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good do people get banned for dropping manner mule oder manner nexus? NO does mc get banned for taunting opponents? NO did nani really offense his opponent? NO so why ban him?
It's more about offending the koreans that have paid to watch GOM on cable there. The fans who pay 100 dollars for HQ blizzard cup. They expect you to play your games out. I think to them it was like he basically said.. "ya fuck you guys im out." At least should have played it. It's 1 fucking game. Just 4 gate and get out then. He just made a bad choice and GOM thinks he should pay. If hes good as everyone thinks he will come back and get code S again.
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On December 14 2011 19:12 Reggae-Troll wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:10 Chise wrote:On December 14 2011 19:09 Reggae-Troll wrote:On December 14 2011 19:04 eakzor wrote: GOM overreacting, whats next? Ban 6pool? There's a difference with 6-pool and 6-probe a-move. Right decision to ban him imo, if people don't get punished for throwing temper tantrums they'll just keep doing them. And the difference is what exactly? 6-pool is a valid strategy and can win games. Worker rush is a valid strategy that beats a 6 pool. See the worker rush blog.
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On December 14 2011 19:11 warcralft wrote: Revoking Code S seed = Good Banning him from GSL = Not Good.
But i think he isnt banned? Is he? Just from this first season of GSL 2012, So GSL 2012 January only.
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He should have just 4 gated lol. Only a 6 minute difference.
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