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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:27 lxxpxrd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:23 TI444 wrote:
Despite every single poster from sweden complaining, the community seems to support GOMTV on this on. Huge props to GOMTV for doing the right thing. TheGunrun tweeted that it was wrong. Are you saying TheGunrun is wrong about something? I'm not Swedish and I don't care that it was Naniwa. They are banning someone for an obscure and vague reason to cover up their own blunder. If he had FAKED playing a game everyone would be happy. How is that integrity "It's better if you just lie and pretend to play."What they are saying is that integrity is about lying to fool the fans.
welcome to the real world, where you will experience a ton of it once you enter the work field
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Poll: Was GOM right to bann Naniwa?No (97) 57% Yes (73) 43% 170 total votes Your vote: Was GOM right to bann Naniwa? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Well done.
+Respect for Mr Chae
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im glad he got kicked.. i always had a bad taste in my mouth after he got away with calling MLG a "joke tournament" on the main stage screen in front all the fans (for his own mistake)
learn some fucking respect
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I'm really surprised at the people defending Naniwa and his behavior . . . . a tournament needs to have standards, otherwise they're encouraging even more disrespectful behavior in the future.
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On December 14 2011 19:30 Eury wrote:
GSL just lost a customer.
And gained one with me. Looks like everything turned out well.
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I would think that players, despite already being out of the tournament, would still want to put on a good show and display good games for their fans.
However, looking at nani's fanboys, i could see why that would be pretty much pointless...
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On December 14 2011 19:29 Terranist wrote:
i believe there is a reasonable explanation for naniwa's behavior. he had nestea tilted at MLG, which is a valuable psychological tool in a competitive environment. why play out a meaningless game and allow nestea any sort of redemption and lose the one edge he had over nestea? there was a definite potential that they could've clashed in code S.
secondary to that, gom should give money incentives to compete till the end of the group instead of shitting on naniwa.
because you have any self respect?
throwing a game isn't a way to keep a mental edge on someone
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On December 14 2011 19:28 Roxy wrote:
wtf, this is bullcrap
he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have
MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?
this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit
if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.
to many people the only loser is someone who doesnt try. So why give Naniwa a seed? If you think they didn't talk to MLG you are naive.
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On December 14 2011 19:27 TheRealPaciFist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:20 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 19:18 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:16 Drizzt3 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:12 Drizzt3 wrote:
The question isn't if Naniwa did something inappropriate, the question is if Naniwa committed a punishable act, to which I think the clear answer is no. According to the rules, yes he did. What rule did he break? GOM has a rule in which you are deemed to be unfit of the title of progamer they can ban you. Which is a strange rule because it doesn't describe anything. In the end, it gives GOM the option to ban a player according to this rule without explaining why the person was banned. In this case it is obvious (although I don't agree) but such rules are not good for a proffessional organisation. The rule should be explained in much more detail. At this moment, it just says 'if we don't like you, you can get banned'. Brilliant. This. If GOM banned Naniwa for throwing a game, then good for GOM. But they should have a rule specifically for such a thing... Chae comparing Naniwa to an amateur money hunter is fucked up. The format should just be changed to not have games played that don't matter. Thanks to the tie breaker we ended up with more games anyway. Naniwa doesn't need this drama
Did you actually read the GSL rules and regulation? Because there is a rule for it.
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ok so mule call down, manner nexus .... is ok for gom tv?
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On December 14 2011 19:29 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:25 zanmat0 wrote:
Dear GOMTV:
I am very disappointed in your overeaction regarding the Naniwa incident and as such, I would like to request a refund for my recent $70 purchase of the 2012 GSL ticket.
Best regards,
zanmat0 I have to ask what you were even in it for in the first place. enjoy missing the best starcraft 2 on the planet anyone saying this is to halt foreigner dominance... LOL. how many shots has naniwa had in korea? and how many other foreigners. come on.
This is the whole point of being a customer. Your power is your wallet. If you disagree there is nothing better to do than inform the company of why you are going to stop paying them
Plus, the free stream is good enough.
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Good
I wish MLG would have DQ'ed Naniwa as well
At least GOM has the guts to stand up
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Ok, it's time to attack @GOMTV on Twitter. I'm fed up.
User was warned for this post
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i think it was right for him to be punished for deliberately portraying his opinion on playing that game through his actions (6 probe rush cross map vs a zerg) he knew it was impossible to win with that, and hence forfeited a game that needed to be played out.
I do think that the punishment is too harsh however, he worked very hard for that Code S spot, and to have it taken away from him when he didnt deliberately break a rule is a bit strong.
i think a different punishment is more appropriate than this for what he has done.
I'm glad its Sen who replaced him though. we all love sen, i wish to see him do well in Code S!! ^^
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Honestly, getting banned from a single GSL Season isn't that bad, and Naniwa deserved some kind of punishment following is disrespectful behavior.
All the people asking to burn down GOM HQ for this horrible infraction need to get real, it's just one month. Calling him names was a bit uncalled for, but in the end the punishment is suitable for the infraction.
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I'm glad Naniwa got punished this severly. eSports is very big in Korea, comparable to actual sports etc. Imagine if you went to a Basketball game or whatever, and it was half time, one team was obviously screwed and had no chance of winning. And for that last half, they just screwed around and didn't play properly. How would you all like that? What do you think would happen to that team?
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On December 14 2011 19:29 MasterReY wrote:
i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case.
GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present.
If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture.
Except Naniwa earned his spot through MLG, he wasn't given a seed.
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On December 14 2011 19:24 andaylin wrote:
"@LorangerChris if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?"\
for those defending Naniwa, be grateful he wasn't Korean lol.
Except in cases where Koreans were banned, what they did was much worse.
On December 14 2011 19:24 leBIGcrab wrote:
Seriously i'm starting to get sick towards standard cheating korean reactions.
Savior huge scandal = Ban for life Kespa+Gom
Dimaga = Invited to World championships
TT1 = Same
Nani JUST THROW MATCH = Ban from a hardly won Code S seed
Look up to your standards seriously.
Agreed but I want to point out they're doing this based on reactions. GOM assumes everyone wants this which may have did this instead of a warning.
To those making comparisons - Remember what Naniwa did had no effect on anything. In cases like match fixing or so, it did (plus it was illegal to take money from gambling sites "and" match fix the games).
All Naniwa did was just throw a match that had no factor on anything. Was what he did right or completely excusable? No but it's no where as bad as people are making it out.
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On December 14 2011 19:29 MasterReY wrote:
i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case.
GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present.
If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture.
It was a normal qualification process via MLG as laid down by GOM a long time ago. Note that this route of qualification is also open to koreans.
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