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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Kfcnoob
United States296 Posts
like even last place gets some money? | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:28 Phenny wrote: To suggest he should play the game a certain way is a gross denial of his freedom imo, especially given he was under no obligation to play a certain way (no rules prohibiting probe rush or anything similar). he...doesn't have freedom, he's playing THEIR TOURNAMENT. he's goddamn obligated to give the people paying for tickets a real game, defined here as a non-probe rush, even if he's faking it and not trying his best. he could have 4gated and been fine, but he just had to make it perfectly obvious he was taking his ball and going home because he's the important thing when the viewing experience of thousands is on the line. rational self-interest is acceptable. making it so blatantly obvious while screwing over literally everyone else is not. | ||
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Lakai
Canada315 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:30 cosimorondo wrote: I'm really surprised at the people defending Naniwa and his behavior . . . . a tournament needs to have standards, otherwise they're encouraging even more disrespectful behavior in the future. Do those standards include fathering in two players who didn't properly qualify? | ||
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taurum
Germany43 Posts
I dont work for free either | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:31 Randy_Chuggs wrote: I'm glad Naniwa got punished this severly. eSports is very big in Korea, comparable to actual sports etc. Imagine if you went to a Basketball game or whatever, and it was half time, one team was obviously screwed and had no chance of winning. And for that last half, they just screwed around and didn't play properly. How would you all like that? What do you think would happen to that team? That happens all the time ... | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:26 MrCash wrote: I don't think anyone except Naniwa can truly answer that without simply making something up. I don't understand what Naniwa ACTUALLY wants out of playing. Beating Nestea would be a great medal, a much better accomplishment then winning a random online tournament for example. Even if it's not tournament results, it is A RESULT to be proud of. He clearly doesn't have a lot of pride or dignity in his play, at least judging from that match, this was actually noted by Quantic Twitter. They said the match was for Pride just before it started and they clearly did not consult Naniwa before that post. Then again, he might just be completely oblivious to what people consider professionalism standards in the industry and believed Nestea wouldn't care about the game as well. He would be wrong. Maybe its not a real match for him when nothing is on the line? He knows that they both wont play serious, he knows that theyre both not focused, if I would want to show every1 how good I am I wouldnt want to play under less then optimal conditions either. He knews the game wouldnt have lived up to the hype anyways.. | ||
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
There might be honest ppl BETTING on Naniwa's game against Nestea with their hard earned money. How can esports be mainstream and who would support Esports betting(Which sponsors alot of KR teams btw) if ppl kept throwing games for nothing? You`d be pretty pissed too if u bet on Naniwa and he threw the game just because he didnt wanna play it yeah? It was a stupid move by Naniwa, completely retarded especially with the Savi0r incident fresh in ppl's mind. Also, to all the Swedes complaining and asking for a boycott. Lets face it, ur always gonna continue supporting the KR players/Scene because they are the BEST. I wouldnt be surprised if half of you are watching the streama t this momeny anyways. In any case, you need to realise that most of the community does NOT agree with you. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:31 Lakai wrote: Do those standards include fathering in two players who didn't properly qualify? yup, they met a certain standard of gom's and were thus offered invites | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:24 andaylin wrote: "@LorangerChris if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?"\ for those defending Naniwa, be grateful he wasn't Korean lol. Well if he was Korean I doubt there would be this much of an uproar on TL. | ||
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Maitolasi
Finland441 Posts
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:30 danson wrote: im glad he got kicked.. i always had a bad taste in my mouth after he got away with calling MLG a "joke tournament" on the main stage screen in front all the fans (for his own mistake) learn some fucking respect So in what way do you think Idra should get punished for calling opponents in ace match awful, for feeling tired and then simply not playing a tourney group game because he already was qualified for the playoff, not gging, leaving games he had won and so on and so on? Do you have a bad taste in your mouth after Idra did all those things? | ||
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Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:27 purpose wrote: So GOMTV punish naniwa for not being respectful and having integrity. But GOMTV have alot of respect and integrity when they call him a prize hunter and other disrespectful stuff. If they would have gone out and just said that naniwa did this wrong so according to this rule we punish him with this, but they do it like a child and call him stuff and just show how bad they are. This exactly, it's so laughable. I would say what they're actually doing is even worse then combined with the ban too. (The ban would still have been wrong though if they only did that) | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:24 Derrida wrote: Well, I think it depends on culture difference on most part. Koreans don't go well with disrespect. Best example would be MC's really harsh and serious statement who is a relaxed, laid back guy. While I sympathize with Naniwa and see the reasoning behind what he did, he needs more foresight. Imagine what would happen if teams who couldnt qualify for playoff stopped doing stupid shit on national television during games in NBA? Are you serious teams every year throw games for better chances at the top draft pick? | ||
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Drizzt3
United States189 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:18 Femari wrote: GOM has a rule in which you are deemed to be unfit of the title of progamer they can ban you. There are a couple fundamental problems with such a rule. Firstly, that's so incredibly vague that it basically means they can kick you out whenever they want without any sort of explicit reason, which goes against the philosophy of rule/law in society since the beginning of time. Secondly, GOM does not have the right to decide who is a progamer and who is not. They can decide who participates in their tournament, but to presume that it is the sole province of GOM to decide who is a progamer and who is not is a ridiculous proposition. | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:31 ONEofUS wrote: ok so mule call down, manner nexus .... is ok for gom tv? clearly you must google the definition of manner. Throwing a game, and manner mule/nexus/hatch are completely different. things. Manner muling is saying "hey you should leave the game" without saying anything. That goes for nexus'/hatch anything else. Throwing the game is totally and 100% different from manner mules etc. | ||
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sc2Raz
Sweden10 Posts
A player did not break any official rule and if a behaviour affected the decision, taking into account that the player is from a different culture, should lead to a warning, nothing more. The suspension is definitly an overreaction and unprofessional. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:31 Badboyrune wrote: Except Naniwa earned his spot through MLG, he wasn't given a seed. And the seed was earned from MLG via the partnership with GOM... | ||
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sirachman
United States270 Posts
I guess Korean culture also entails being absurdly disrespectful to foreign players in public as well. "Prize hunter", etc??? That is just juvenile. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:31 Goldfish wrote: Except in cases where Koreans were banned, what they did was much worse. No, there is a case that is less worse than Naniwa. Choya played ladder games and decide to just flip a coin to see who win the game. GOM banned him from GSTL for a month. | ||
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