EPTDon't they know how much viewers they would have gotten from keeping naniwa in Code S? After this "Incident" everyone would want to watch his performances in Code S. This is just such a bad descision both for the fans of eSport, but also for GOM as a business.
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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tetrismaan
Denmark302 Posts
Don't they know how much viewers they would have gotten from keeping naniwa in Code S? After this "Incident" everyone would want to watch his performances in Code S. This is just such a bad descision both for the fans of eSport, but also for GOM as a business. | ||
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gabbegubbe
Sweden67 Posts
If this would have been soccer for example. That would never have been excepted. Think of 11 players just doing nothing for 90 minutes. Esport is all about sponsors and subscribers paying to get a nice pricepool and ppl dont want to pay for 7 probe rushes. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:32 Jyvblamo wrote: Well if he was Korean I doubt there would be this much of an uproar on TL. There would be a much bigger uproar in Korea though if it was a Korean player who did it. People would definitely call for a permaban. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:32 Shortizz wrote: I think ppl need to understand the REAL situation here. There might be honest ppl BETTING on Naniwa's game against Nestea with their hard earned money. How can esports be mainstream and who would support Esports betting(Which sponsors alot of KR teams btw) if ppl kept throwing games for nothing? You`d be pretty pissed too if u bet on Naniwa and he threw the game just because he didnt wanna play it yeah? It was a stupid move by Naniwa, completely retarded especially with the Savi0r incident fresh in ppl's mind. While legal elsewhere, gambling (like betting on players) is not legal in South Korea >.>. That was one problem of the match fixing - They were involved in illegal betting. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
What Naniwa did was no different to any other build, it had a chance of winning, and would have been a BO win against a six pool just like the 1-1-1 is a BO win against most protoss builds or roach ling all in/six pool is a BO win against a greedy fast expanding protoss. I got a lot more entertainment from that game than I have from any terran TvP insta-win build. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:34 Vanishes wrote: Gom should ban themselves. I remember them cutting games from group stages if it was clear the outcome of the game wouldn't affect the players who progress. Proof? When, all their archives are up, get a link. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1452 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:20 jalstar wrote: You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money? Whether it's prize money or not, Naniwa is being selfish. He's there to preform and play games. Think of it like this: Have you ever had a job that involved a commission? It's kind of like Nani's job as a gamer playing in GSL. Sometimes there's money with a game (consumer), sometimes there's not and it's a waste of time. But it's never an excuse not to do your job or deal with a consumer because there is no money it it this time, and it's always grounds to get your ass fired. | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:30 Vari wrote: everyone knows he threw the game. he said he threw the game... i never said he didnt it was pretty obvious im just saying, he didnt violate any rules how about they ban people for sending 4 marines with 12 scvs? where do you draw the line? should we just ban everyone who loses a game because htey probably werent trying? | ||
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Marvid
Sweden34 Posts
Really... i just shake my head at this sillyness. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I love th idiots who keep saying that professional football players play every match all the way through. News flash for you kiddies, THEY DON'T! They will kneel the ball almost every single time if they are way ahead or way behind. Furthermore, if they've already qualified for playoffs, they sit every single starter and basically throw the rest of their games away. You are all uninformed and spiteful. That is all. but they show up, there are players on the field they don't just roll the ball to the other team at the start of every play they DO play through every game. if they have guaranteed a seed they sit players... so they don't get injured. those players want to play, I promise. naniwa is basically the opposite of cal ripken jr. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:29 MasterReY wrote: i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case. GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present. If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture. He got it through his MLG seed due to Leenock being in Code S already... Man you need to get your facts right. What do you mean gift? It was a fucking done deal by GOM and MLG. | ||
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Haze.884
New Zealand192 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: I love th idiots who keep saying that professional football players play every match all the way through. News flash for you kiddies, THEY DON'T! They will kneel the ball almost every single time if they are way ahead or way behind. Furthermore, if they've already qualified for playoffs, they sit every single starter and basically throw the rest of their games away. You are all uninformed and spiteful. That is all. News flash for you ^^, Koreans know that happens. But they still EXPECT PROS TO GIVE EVERYSHOT. | ||
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
to the people that say the rule is defined and therefore GOM has no choice but to revoke the seed. Why is Inca not banned for leaving the only game in GSL history without GG? Or was the rule not in place at that time? | ||
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azr
Norway144 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:29 Stropheum wrote: During his first week in korea, he got paired up against, who was it? One of the best zergs in the world, and performed (arguably) 2 actions and took his hands off the keyboard because he was too tired to play out a 4 minute proxy 2 gate and get it over with. It's not a matter of lying to fans. Complexity sent him to korea to play the game seriously (and complexity is VERY big on image). Gom gave him the GSL seed for the purpose of generating content, not because it's some supreme honor to invite a foreigner who throws temper tantrums because he's tired. Not to mention huk and idra have reputations for being extremely bad mannered and temperamental, yet they don't do things like this, which are clearly ignorant and selfish, because they know they have teams to represent, people that pay their checks for not only playing the game in a serious manner, but probably with more success than naniwa will ever be able to. I'm glad idrA got his spot. He deserves it more, and he'll go farther with it Idra did almost the exact same thing against Jinro ages ago in the GSL. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:33 sirachman wrote: Using Korean 'culture' as a defense is not a valid defense, it is either correct or incorrect. If you want games to be played seriously dont force two eliminated players to play ridiculous and pointless games. If you respect your players sooo much then this would make sense to you. This happens in plenty of sports, including BW in the OSL Ro16. People still try to win, even if half-heartily. Naniwa did not try to win. He had no heart. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:35 ComusLoM wrote: MLG should stop their GOM partnership on moral grounds. Turns it winning a code S seed from MLG means fuck all if they don't like you. What Naniwa did was no different to any other build, it had a chance of winning, and would have been a BO win against a six pool just like the 1-1-1 is a BO win against most protoss builds or roach ling all in/six pool is a BO win against a greedy fast expanding protoss. I got a lot more entertainment from that game than I have from any terran TvP insta-win build. He basically admitted he threw the game. Stop this bullshit of trying to find loopholes. | ||
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Kubricks
284 Posts
I never bought a single ticket. I've never stayed up early in the morning to watch the GOMTV live stream. But somehow, I stay up to date with all the games the GSL runs. And I couldn't be happier the way things work out if you just do a simple google search and be a little more resourceful than your average moron of a consumer. I fully plan to extend this habit into the 2012 season for some seriously great SC2 moments. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
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