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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
tetrismaan
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark302 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#661
GSL will never be "Global" if every player has to adapt to the Koreans. Why not just call it KSL then. God fucking damnit this is just killing eSport.

Don't they know how much viewers they would have gotten from keeping naniwa in Code S? After this "Incident" everyone would want to watch his performances in Code S. This is just such a bad descision both for the fans of eSport, but also for GOM as a business.
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gabbegubbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden67 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#662
I don't have anything against Nani but I think this is a correct decision.
If this would have been soccer for example. That would never have been excepted. Think of 11 players just doing nothing for 90 minutes.

Esport is all about sponsors and subscribers paying to get a nice pricepool and ppl dont want to pay for 7 probe rushes.
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#663
On December 14 2011 19:32 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:24 andaylin wrote:
"@LorangerChris if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?"\

for those defending Naniwa, be grateful he wasn't Korean lol.

Well if he was Korean I doubt there would be this much of an uproar on TL.

There would be a much bigger uproar in Korea though if it was a Korean player who did it. People would definitely call for a permaban.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#664
On December 14 2011 19:32 Shortizz wrote:
I think ppl need to understand the REAL situation here.

There might be honest ppl BETTING on Naniwa's game against Nestea with their hard earned money. How can esports be mainstream and who would support Esports betting(Which sponsors alot of KR teams btw) if ppl kept throwing games for nothing?

You`d be pretty pissed too if u bet on Naniwa and he threw the game just because he didnt wanna play it yeah? It was a stupid move by Naniwa, completely retarded especially with the Savi0r incident fresh in ppl's mind.


While legal elsewhere, gambling (like betting on players) is not legal in South Korea >.>.

That was one problem of the match fixing - They were involved in illegal betting.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#665
MLG should stop their GOM partnership on moral grounds. Turns it winning a code S seed from MLG means fuck all if they don't like you.

What Naniwa did was no different to any other build, it had a chance of winning, and would have been a BO win against a six pool just like the 1-1-1 is a BO win against most protoss builds or roach ling all in/six pool is a BO win against a greedy fast expanding protoss. I got a lot more entertainment from that game than I have from any terran TvP insta-win build.
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MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:35:45
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#666
Lol If a Korean did this, they would be teamless, homeless etc.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#667
On December 14 2011 19:34 Vanishes wrote:
Gom should ban themselves. I remember them cutting games from group stages if it was clear the outcome of the game wouldn't affect the players who progress.


Proof?
When, all their archives are up, get a link.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#668
MC is back :D
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#669
On December 14 2011 19:20 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?

Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money.


I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him.
Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish.


You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money?


Whether it's prize money or not, Naniwa is being selfish. He's there to preform and play games. Think of it like this: Have you ever had a job that involved a commission? It's kind of like Nani's job as a gamer playing in GSL. Sometimes there's money with a game (consumer), sometimes there's not and it's a waste of time. But it's never an excuse not to do your job or deal with a consumer because there is no money it it this time, and it's always grounds to get your ass fired.
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Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#670
On December 14 2011 19:30 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:28 Roxy wrote:
wtf, this is bullcrap

he won MLG, u cant just revoke seeds
that goes against whatever agreement they have

MLG paid for GSL players to come play in MLG. Now GSL doesnt live up to their end of the deal?

this is bullcrap. players should be free to do whatever strategy they see fit

if those strategies lose for them, they will be out of future tournaments. noone hands seeds to losers. naniwa earned the seed.

everyone knows he threw the game. he said he threw the game...


i never said he didnt
it was pretty obvious

im just saying, he didnt violate any rules

how about they ban people for sending 4 marines with 12 scvs?

where do you draw the line?

should we just ban everyone who loses a game because htey probably werent trying?
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Marvid
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden34 Posts
December 14 2011 10:35 GMT
#671
Whatever your take is on this drama you can't possibly be accepting a retroactive punishment. This is just silly and shows that the GOM cooperation are not afraid to bend rules due to populism. When you run such a big tournament you HAVE to be transparent and have DEFINED rules. You can't start kicking people out because of principles if there was no rule that could support this, atleast not if the player obviously didn't know this was against the principle. Yes you can argue that this is Korean culture, but that should accept them treating an foreigner who most likely have no idea how Korean culture works. But the worst part of this is that they choose to replace him with Idra (nothing against him personaly) who have prooven on several occation to actually NOT follow this certain principle!
Really... i just shake my head at this sillyness.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#672
On December 14 2011 19:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
I love th idiots who keep saying that professional football players play every match all the way through.

News flash for you kiddies, THEY DON'T! They will kneel the ball almost every single time if they are way ahead or way behind. Furthermore, if they've already qualified for playoffs, they sit every single starter and basically throw the rest of their games away.

You are all uninformed and spiteful. That is all.

but they show up, there are players on the field

they don't just roll the ball to the other team at the start of every play

they DO play through every game.

if they have guaranteed a seed they sit players... so they don't get injured. those players want to play, I promise.


naniwa is basically the opposite of cal ripken jr.
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ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#673
On December 14 2011 19:29 MasterReY wrote:
i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case.
GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present.

If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture.


He got it through his MLG seed due to Leenock being in Code S already... Man you need to get your facts right. What do you mean gift? It was a fucking done deal by GOM and MLG.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Haze.884
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand192 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#674
On December 14 2011 19:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
I love th idiots who keep saying that professional football players play every match all the way through.

News flash for you kiddies, THEY DON'T! They will kneel the ball almost every single time if they are way ahead or way behind. Furthermore, if they've already qualified for playoffs, they sit every single starter and basically throw the rest of their games away.

You are all uninformed and spiteful. That is all.


News flash for you ^^, Koreans know that happens. But they still EXPECT PROS TO GIVE EVERYSHOT.
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Xacalite
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany533 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:38:38
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#675
welcome to sports, where speaking out your mind (or playing unnecessary games with unnecessary cheese) gets you punished instead of promoted. honesty is the loser. again. who would have thought.....

to the people that say the rule is defined and therefore GOM has no choice but to revoke the seed. Why is Inca not banned for leaving the only game in GSL history without GG? Or was the rule not in place at that time?
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azr
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway144 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#676
On December 14 2011 19:29 Stropheum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:19 Vardant wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:17 hugman wrote:
Tbh he probably needed a real wake up call

What kind would that be exactly?

If you wanna be the best SC2 player, you have to lie to your fans and audience and pretend you care about games, that don't mean anything?

During his first week in korea, he got paired up against, who was it? One of the best zergs in the world, and performed (arguably) 2 actions and took his hands off the keyboard because he was too tired to play out a 4 minute proxy 2 gate and get it over with.

It's not a matter of lying to fans. Complexity sent him to korea to play the game seriously (and complexity is VERY big on image). Gom gave him the GSL seed for the purpose of generating content, not because it's some supreme honor to invite a foreigner who throws temper tantrums because he's tired.

Not to mention huk and idra have reputations for being extremely bad mannered and temperamental, yet they don't do things like this, which are clearly ignorant and selfish, because they know they have teams to represent, people that pay their checks for not only playing the game in a serious manner, but probably with more success than naniwa will ever be able to.

I'm glad idrA got his spot. He deserves it more, and he'll go farther with it


Idra did almost the exact same thing against Jinro ages ago in the GSL.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#677
On December 14 2011 19:33 sirachman wrote:
Using Korean 'culture' as a defense is not a valid defense, it is either correct or incorrect. If you want games to be played seriously dont force two eliminated players to play ridiculous and pointless games. If you respect your players sooo much then this would make sense to you.


This happens in plenty of sports, including BW in the OSL Ro16. People still try to win, even if half-heartily. Naniwa did not try to win. He had no heart.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#678
On December 14 2011 19:35 ComusLoM wrote:
MLG should stop their GOM partnership on moral grounds. Turns it winning a code S seed from MLG means fuck all if they don't like you.

What Naniwa did was no different to any other build, it had a chance of winning, and would have been a BO win against a six pool just like the 1-1-1 is a BO win against most protoss builds or roach ling all in/six pool is a BO win against a greedy fast expanding protoss. I got a lot more entertainment from that game than I have from any terran TvP insta-win build.

He basically admitted he threw the game. Stop this bullshit of trying to find loopholes.
Kubricks
Profile Joined November 2011
284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:36:50
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#679
It's funny all these silly nerds saying "I'm never going to buy a fuckin' ticket again! YEAH!"

I never bought a single ticket. I've never stayed up early in the morning to watch the GOMTV live stream. But somehow, I stay up to date with all the games the GSL runs. And I couldn't be happier the way things work out if you just do a simple google search and be a little more resourceful than your average moron of a consumer.

I fully plan to extend this habit into the 2012 season for some seriously great SC2 moments.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
December 14 2011 10:36 GMT
#680
This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
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