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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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NorthernRiver
Sweden107 Posts
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Keeler
United States313 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:36 -y0shi- wrote: I respect people who act like reasnable human beings and treat others like human beings as well.. So you're on GOM's side. | ||
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Legace
Sweden342 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:30 mgl0x9 wrote: A Korean player WOULD NEVER do this and everyone knows it Choya, Byun and CoCa. They would never... | ||
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
A-move proxy 2 gate/5 pool to end a game in 3 minutes = okay Worker rush to end a game in 1 minute = suspension/expulsion GomTV is on their way to dethroning KeSPA as top contender for draconian rules. | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:37 jalstar wrote: Naniwa sees his job as winning tournaments, not playing games for the sake of playing games. You might agree with that and you might not. Regardless of what he "sees" it as, that is NOT his job, maybe no one ever clarified this for him sufficiently, thus all his team changes. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
Lol after reading all the depressing posts about Gom's legitimate decision, you made me laugh | ||
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HolydaKing
21253 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:35 tetrismaan wrote: GSL will never be "Global" if every player has to adapt to the Koreans. Why not just call it KSL then. God fucking damnit this is just killing eSport. Don't they know how much viewers they would have gotten from keeping naniwa in Code S? After this "Incident" everyone would want to watch his performances in Code S. This is just such a bad descision both for the fans of eSport, but also for GOM as a business. Pretty sure none of the other foreigners ever had this problem in the GSL. Even IdrA survived and will most likely do so in the future as well. It's not like the GSL did something stupid, they just want to be professional and what Naniwa did was not professional. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:35 tetrismaan wrote: GSL will never be "Global" if every player has to adapt to the Koreans. Why not just call it KSL then. God fucking damnit this is just killing eSport. Don't they know how much viewers they would have gotten from keeping naniwa in Code S? After this "Incident" everyone would want to watch his performances in Code S. This is just such a bad descision both for the fans of eSport, but also for GOM as a business. You have to abide by the rules of all the tournaments you enter. People who are irrational like you don't understand what Naniwa did hurts eSports. GOM handled it properly. If they didn't ban him for throwing a game it makes them look terrible as a business. Naniwa did show he was unfit to be a progamer. GOM has a rule in which they can deny participation to those who are unfit to be a progamer. Welcome to GSL, you enter their tournament you play by their rules. Any player would've gotten this ban, Korean or foreigner. And it was the right thing to do, especially from a business standpoint. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Punishment had to be dealt and I am glad that it was. | ||
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Neoattitude
Guam172 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:37 jalstar wrote: Naniwa sees his job as winning tournaments, not playing games for the sake of playing games. You might agree with that and you might not. that is fine if Naniwa has his own view on what he should do, but don't expect to do what he feels like when participating a tourney on the other half of the world where things like this is not tolerated. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:33 Maitolasi wrote: The ironic thing about all this is that Gom made a lot more people angry than Naniwa yesterday. I hope this shows up negatively in their finances and they learn not to impose their draconic rules on people. I'm sure banning Rooney for two matches in the Euro cup made many football fans angry, but to take light of such a rule means losing the integrity of the tournament. I do hope Naniwa gets his punishment reduced slightly (as did rooney  ) like make him go through Code A again or something. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:34 Vari wrote: he's got a job to do, fans and a team looking for him to play hard a rivalry with nestea if he seriously can't focus himself enough to at least put up a game, even a bad game, he's a weak player. And how would a bad game live up to this hype? He knew he couldt deliver a good game so he didnt even try to pretend... God korea is so superficial, disgusting... I guess they only want players that have no emotions and go "im sooo sorry i played bad for my fans i wil sooo try to imrpove", not because its believable but because it pleases the fans.. Someone who doesnt try to pretend that he plays a serious games and doesnt want the fans to watch him play while hes not at 100% is evil and someone who just 4 gates and wastes everyones time is ok? | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:36 Crisium wrote: This happens in plenty of sports, including BW in the OSL Ro16. People still try to win, even if half-heartily. Naniwa did not try to win. He had no heart. Didn't Jaedong get knocked out of an OSL or MSL by a guy who had no chance at advancing lol | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:36 purpose wrote: But this is exactly how it is in real sport aswell. Take the FA cup or any smaller cup that goes alongside the main leuage in fotball for example. People bet WAY more money on that then esport. And often big teams send out their B squad for those games and lose it. There have even been cases were teams wanted to lose just so they wont get extra games and could focus on the leuage and Champions Leuage. Sure people lose money but you have to take that into consideration when you place your bet. The last game can be important, but it can also be fucking pointless and that will affect the players. you dont have to probe rush to lose a game, you can go nexus first, a half arsed 4 gate etc etc, people will lose money on that to but is that a crime? When you bet you always face the risk that one side will be unmotivated and not perform on par with their skill. You can't compare sending your B squad with forfeiting/probe rush. It's like walking onto the field and doing nothing. I would compare sending a B squad more like trying a new strategy or just not using your best strategies in the game. The players still do their best to win the game, and they are giving new players experience and exposure. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:35 tetrismaan wrote: GSL will never be "Global" if every player has to adapt to the Koreans. Why not just call it KSL then. God fucking damnit this is just killing eSport. Don't they know how much viewers they would have gotten from keeping naniwa in Code S? After this "Incident" everyone would want to watch his performances in Code S. This is just such a bad descision both for the fans of eSport, but also for GOM as a business. I don't think that demanding a certain level of professionalism and sportsmanship is demanding players to adapt to the Koreans. Also GSL is not killing esports, they are growing it probably more so than any other league in the world short of possibly MLG. Yes they could'dve sold a few more tickets if they kept naniwa in code s, but they would've lost a lot of tickets from the koreans who are very offended by what he did. And really saying "they could've sold more tickets if they didn't do anything" is a horrible mentality to have to try and say they should've let him get away with being BM and disrespectful and throwing a game on purpose. | ||
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