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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 CuSToM wrote:
Haha why are people saying they want to refund their ticket etc? Naniwa wasn't going to go anywhere in Code S anyways so what is the big deal?
Don't disrespect Nestea and maybe this won't happen...
It's pretty hilarious. Saying they won't buy a ticket like they were going to anyway. And not buying a ticket because ONE player - a player who has an 0 - 10 record in GOM tournaments - isn't playing for one season? Lol. Grow up people.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Nonnar wrote:
This is the biggest joke in sc2 history. I used to have respect for gom, this is plainly jsut FUCKING retarded. Thanks for ruening e-sports gom!
Is this sarcasm? Oh you're Swedish...
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This is a plain overreaction and not fair for Naniwa. He did not insult Nestea, he basically just forfeited in an unconventional way. Let's be honest: a game whose winner gets nothing coz both players are already out, is just not interresting and shouldn t be played in the first place!
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On December 14 2011 19:35 ComusLoM wrote:
MLG should stop their GOM partnership on moral grounds. Turns it winning a code S seed from MLG means fuck all if they don't like you.
What Naniwa did was no different to any other build, it had a chance of winning, and would have been a BO win against a six pool just like the 1-1-1 is a BO win against most protoss builds or roach ling all in/six pool is a BO win against a greedy fast expanding protoss. I got a lot more entertainment from that game than I have from any terran TvP insta-win build.
Lol in what universe? Some people are just so deluded that they can justify anything to themselves. Its pretty clear that naniwa used the probe rush to make a statement in a pretty unprofessional manner that he didn't care to play the game.
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Well, GOM will never be seeing any more of my money.
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This was invitational event and I am sure Naniwa was aware of the format before the night started. If he was smart he should have realized that he might be playing a game that was meaningless if things went the way they did. I have nothing but respect for Mr. Chae and the way all of this was handled.
Even if the format was flawed this is a buisness and if your going to shit on it, and make the game as uneventful as possible while throwing it then GTFO. I wish the punishment were more severe to be honest. He acts like a 12 year old. Don't say "I only care about winning" and then throw a match... ya its not for money, but a win is a win... so what he is actually saying is I just want the money lol.
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This was definitely the right decision imo. You'd get punished for throwing away games in professional sports aswell. Besides it's not a ban, he just lost his Code S seed for 1 season.
I hope Naniwa will man up from this and I truly hope we'll still get to see him in Code S in the future.
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On December 14 2011 19:39 purpose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:36 Bayyne wrote:On December 14 2011 19:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
I love th idiots who keep saying that professional football players play every match all the way through.
News flash for you kiddies, THEY DON'T! They will kneel the ball almost every single time if they are way ahead or way behind. Furthermore, if they've already qualified for playoffs, they sit every single starter and basically throw the rest of their games away.
You are all uninformed and spiteful. That is all. What are you on dude? The team that is losing/in a losing situation wont kneel the ball. The 2nd string players that come in for the 1st string players still give it 100%. Teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs still show up and play. Well sending in B-teamers still weakns the team alot unless you are Barcelona or REal Madrid. And Ive seen so many games were a team have nothing to play for and just arent that motivated. Sure some young b-teamer might go for it but the lack of skill just is to big. When they go down 1-0 they just stop trying at all and its usually a pretty lame game after that. Its not pritty but thats what you get with the format etc and you cant say its wrong when a team who is ready for playoffs want to rest players or just dont have that motivation when there is not something to strive for!
you can get fined for sending weak teams, even that's not tolerable.
if you are caught with intention to not care, you are out.
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this is so retarded I don't even now what to think.. I was going to pay to watch Naniwa tear it up in code S next month... thank you gom.. I probably need that money elsewhere..
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On December 14 2011 19:39 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:37 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 19:37 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:35 Vansetsu wrote:On December 14 2011 19:20 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?
Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money. I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him. Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish. You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money? Whether it's prize money or not, Naniwa is being selfish. He's there to preform and play games. Think of it like this: Have you ever had a job that involved a commission? It's kind of like Nani's job as a gamer playing in GSL. Sometimes there's money with a game (consumer), sometimes there's not and it's a waste of time. But it's never an excuse not to do your job or deal with a consumer because there is no money it it this time, and it's always grounds to get your ass fired. Naniwa sees his job as winning tournaments, not playing games for the sake of playing games. You might agree with that and you might not. Regardless of what he "sees" it as, that is NOT his job, maybe no one ever clarified this for him sufficiently, thus all his team changes. Do you even follow Starcraft? He spent a year with Empire and Dignitas with no incidents at all, he left MVP because the Koreans refused to take matches seriously against him, ironically enough.
That was a sarcastic joke, the fact remains, what he SEES his job being and what it is are not the same.
If every pros job was only to win tournaments, very few would keep their job for long.
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On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:
Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.
Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?
Do you even know when EPS and that IEM happened or are you pulling stuff randomly from Liquipedia?
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On December 14 2011 19:36 ReaperX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:29 MasterReY wrote:
i think its funny that so many people treat this as GSL disqualified naniwa from code S. This is NOT the case.
GSL decided to give the spot to Naniwa for FREE as a GIFT. Now Naniwa behaved bad so he wont get that present.
If Naniwa qualified through Code A qualifiers and managed to fight his way through Code A and the Up and Down matches, then sure it would be a bit too hard to take that hard-earned Code S spot away from him, but in this case its totally acceptable. They invite foreigners for FREE to their league so those foreigners who are so lucky to get a spot should at least behave in a way that is acceptable in korean culture. He got it through his MLG seed due to Leenock being in Code S already... Man you need to get your facts right. What do you mean gift? It was a fucking done deal by GOM and MLG.
What he meant was Naniwa didn't have to go through the harsh journey of qualifying from Code-B up to Code-S but instead place decently high in a foreign tournament and obtained a FREE seed straight to Code-S
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On December 14 2011 19:39 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:36 Bayyne wrote:On December 14 2011 19:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
I love th idiots who keep saying that professional football players play every match all the way through.
News flash for you kiddies, THEY DON'T! They will kneel the ball almost every single time if they are way ahead or way behind. Furthermore, if they've already qualified for playoffs, they sit every single starter and basically throw the rest of their games away.
You are all uninformed and spiteful. That is all. What are you on dude? The team that is losing/in a losing situation wont kneel the ball. The 2nd string players that come in for the 1st string players still give it 100%. Teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs still show up and play. Yes they do, all the time. Teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs almost never play a "real" game.
Hey, give me some of the stuff your on because you clearly have a skewed view of whether they're playing a "real" game. Christmas is coming up so make sure your stuff is pure grade A chit.
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On December 14 2011 19:34 zanmat0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:29 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 19:25 zanmat0 wrote:
Dear GOMTV:
I am very disappointed in your overeaction regarding the Naniwa incident and as such, I would like to request a refund for my recent $70 purchase of the 2012 GSL ticket.
Best regards,
zanmat0 I have to ask what you were even in it for in the first place. enjoy missing the best starcraft 2 on the planet anyone saying this is to halt foreigner dominance... LOL. how many shots has naniwa had in korea? and how many other foreigners. come on. Do you understand the definition of a boycott? Evidently not.
What's the point? You boycott until Naniwa works his way back in season 2 by qualifying naturally while everyone forgets this whole thing and then you have to pay 20% more if you want a ticket cause you waited until then. IDK sounds like a good deal for GOM imho.
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Let's face it. The ONLY reason there are so many smug people here agreeing with this decision is because it is affecting Naniwa. Had this been ANY other player, say for example HuK, the community outrage would be all over the place. Haters gonna hate.
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On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:
Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.
Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?
No the organizations all fucked up of course by being professional ~~
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Legace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:30 mgl0x9 wrote:
A Korean player WOULD NEVER do this and everyone knows it Choya, Byun and CoCa. They would never...
Choya did it on LADDER
Byung, CoCa in a ONLINE cup, which was for nothing, CoCa loses 1 game on purpose, but won the series anyway.
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On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:
Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.
Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?
he is misunderstood. people misunderstood that he was a mature player. clearly he has demonstrated otherwise.
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GomTV should take some responsibility for making such a bad tournament format. Whats wrong with the group play they use in the GSL? Why do they keep putting players in situations like this?
The worst part is that they have the same format in the UP/DOWN matches.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:35 Vansetsu wrote:On December 14 2011 19:20 jalstar wrote:On December 14 2011 19:18 MrCash wrote:On December 14 2011 19:15 jalstar wrote:
If Naniwa only cares about prize money then why does he regularly forfeit prize money matches at MLG, eg 7th vs 8th place matches?
Naniwa cares about getting 1st, there's a huge difference between that and caring only about prize money. I've heard so many say this about Naniwa, but never once from him. Honestly this feels like some self-justification for being unprofessional he tells his friends and I don't really see anything that makes this theory more legitimate then him simply being oblivious and selfish. You didn't answer. If Naniwa only cares about getting prize money (Chae called him an "amateur prize-money hunter") then why does he forfeit consolation matches for prize money? Whether it's prize money or not, Naniwa is being selfish. He's there to preform and play games. Think of it like this: Have you ever had a job that involved a commission? It's kind of like Nani's job as a gamer playing in GSL. Sometimes there's money with a game (consumer), sometimes there's not and it's a waste of time. But it's never an excuse not to do your job or deal with a consumer because there is no money it it this time, and it's always grounds to get your ass fired. Naniwa sees his job as winning tournaments, not playing games for the sake of playing games. You might agree with that and you might not.
His viewpoint makes sense. The only way he makes a living is to win games which are for money. Unless someone is going to pay him based on how much his games impress them on an intellectual level. Banning him for not putting his best into a game which didn't even have a prize pool is stupid. Tournaments do not own players, they pay them to play with a potential prize pool. Gom is trying to strong arm players to do what they want during games they are not paying players for with a potential prize and it is wrong.
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