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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:39 leBIGcrab wrote:
To people supporting Gom TV : Stop being such awful pricks and sucking korean *****.
Banning Naniwa IS UNFAIR. Get over it omg.
Sounds like you're the one that needs to get over it.
Throwing a game IS UNPROFESSIONAL especially when you're a progamer.
All these people whining about not wanting to buy tickets cause Naniwa isn't going to be in Code S next season: did you feel like you got your money's worth after what he did last night?
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I'm so happy GOM did this. I just bought my ticket after seeing this. No immature people in the GSL is the best way to go. Maintain your stature as the most prestigious Starcraft 2 tournament.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Myrkskog wrote:
So GomTV has set the precedent that they can punish players depending on their arbitrary decision of whether or not they believe a player "tried hard enough"...
A-move proxy 2 gate/5 pool to end a game in 3 minutes = okay
Worker rush to end a game in 1 minute = suspension/expulsion
GomTV is on their way to dethroning KeSPA as top contender for draconian rules.
how...I don't...
you think people a-move proxy 2 gate? in code a or s? are you fucking kidding? you're comparing that to a LITERAL a-move worker rush in terms of achieving victory? protip it's pretty simple what the difference between the two are:
worker rush: 0% win rate
2 gate: >0% win rate
I wonder which one is wron-oh, it's probably the one with a mathematical certainty of a loss, which would assuredly count as throwing a game. it's trying vs. not trying on the most literal level.
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You're kidding right? Was Nal_Ra banned when he probe rushed?
I payed to see NaniWa pay Mr. Chae. I will now ask for a refund.
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Wow are Koreans really that butthurt about such little things?
Definitely NOT buying a season ticket because of this.
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No more season tickets ..
This was invitational event and naniwa didnt break any rules.
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On December 14 2011 19:40 Lasbike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:39 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
Yeah it's pretty disgusting...
But the people who are glad that it happened are just plain pathetic. I'm glad it happened.
me too
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Actions always cause reactions. I think it is good Naniwa wasn`t totally banned from GSL, but given time to rethink his actions. Good decission in my eyes.
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On December 14 2011 19:40 alexbaldwin wrote:
Well, GOM will never be seeing any more of my money.
Your loss.
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On December 14 2011 19:40 o)_Saurus wrote:
So to sum things up:
Naniwa got kicked out of german EPS.
Naniwa got kicked out of IEM.
Naniwa got kicked out of Code S.
Seriously, can you still say that he is "misunderstood"?
And he should have been kicked from MLG for saying, live, that it was "joke tournament". MLG was way too nice with him on this one.
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Guys, GOM PAYED Naniwa to play all of his games, no matter how meaningless they are. What he did was plain disrespect to GOM, viewers, and his opponent, who practiced hard for that match. It's not like he was banned from GSL, he can still go through Code A qualifiers, so it seems perfectly reasonable.
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When your invited to the Blizzard cup and your only 1 of 10 players invited. Your the 10 best players in the world brought to korea to prove your the best. By not playing his games fully whos to say gom invited the right person? You think anyone else sen/sase/idra would of given up so easily in those games? they would of played out the games no matter what the circumstance.
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On December 14 2011 19:35 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:32 Shortizz wrote:
I think ppl need to understand the REAL situation here.
There might be honest ppl BETTING on Naniwa's game against Nestea with their hard earned money. How can esports be mainstream and who would support Esports betting(Which sponsors alot of KR teams btw) if ppl kept throwing games for nothing?
You`d be pretty pissed too if u bet on Naniwa and he threw the game just because he didnt wanna play it yeah? It was a stupid move by Naniwa, completely retarded especially with the Savi0r incident fresh in ppl's mind. While legal elsewhere, gambling (like betting on players) is not legal in South Korea >.>. That was one problem of the match fixing - They were involved in illegal betting.
This betting thing was brought up by nazgul first and then tweeted by jp. Honestly it's stupid as hell.
The whole thing with betting is to find out the players/teams motivation. It's a possibility that either or both of the players might be knocked out at that point, if you don't consider that, it's your own fault. I have predicted results in round robin groups many times and i always consider this fact, and most people i know use this "tactic" as well.
In fact if naniwa would change his behaviour, or make decisions because anything to do with betting, THAT would be considered unethical, or even illegal.
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This is rediculus. I think Gom os clearly over reacting
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On December 14 2011 19:35 ComusLoM wrote:
MLG should stop their GOM partnership on moral grounds. Turns it winning a code S seed from MLG means fuck all if they don't like you.
What Naniwa did was no different to any other build, it had a chance of winning, and would have been a BO win against a six pool just like the 1-1-1 is a BO win against most protoss builds or roach ling all in/six pool is a BO win against a greedy fast expanding protoss. I got a lot more entertainment from that game than I have from any terran TvP insta-win build.
I agree with everything you said. How can the GSL just make up the rules as they go like this? He technically didn't do anything wrong. They just got caught up in the witch hunt mentality, which IMO makes them the unprofessional ones.
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I totally agree with him being banned for the upcoming season, he deserved it.
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Too much damn information spread out. This is why a formal collective press release needs to be done.
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On December 14 2011 19:28 Philipd122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:23 anomalopidae wrote:
I don't understand this. Why wasn't Nestea banned as well then? Playing drunk is way worse than what Naniwa did and Nestea did it in Code S group play. If any professional athlete was drunk during competition he'd receive severe punishment. I suppose it's just a way to prevent foreigners being successful in Korea. This is just ridiculously ignorant, especially your last sentence. First of all, Nestea "had a few too many at a party" the day before or a few days before which made him unable to play at his fullest potential. Next, he played all his games to the best of his ability - yes, even if he was 50% able, not just using a 0% chance strat to end a game in less than 1 minute. Also, then why the fk are they inviting 2 foreigners for their Code S seeds (one replacing naniwa of course) if htey are "preventing foreigners being successful in Korea."
SO are you saying Nestea didn't know in advance he had to play tournament? wow
Also comparing Idra and Sen to Naniwa at the moment is a joke. It's like comparing MVP to Clide.
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On December 14 2011 19:39 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:38 Salteador Neo wrote:
Lol what a bad joke. GSL doing a Kespa here. Setting high standards for professionalism so their league can survive many years and grow into a multi-million dollar organization? Those idiots.
There is a difference between setting professional standards and over-punishing someone on something so meaningless.
I mean it's exactly like the KeSPA ruling about someone typing ppp instead of pp. That person was disqualified because it was "unprofessional".
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