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Eineez
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden37 Posts
December 14 2011 11:15 GMT
#541
On December 14 2011 19:21 chenchen wrote:
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A.

Sports is probably the one and only thing Swedes feel nationalistic about. Because we are such a small country, we are proud of the people who can make it to be professionals and compete with other countries. So if there is no or very little reason given for banning a professional, damn right we come to their defense.
setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
December 14 2011 11:16 GMT
#542
On December 14 2011 20:10 Gantritor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.


I agree with you. If you follow any sport, you would know that even if the goals of a team are vanished, they still play, they do not cross their arms and behave like children. That's what Naniwa has done. And I am even more disappointed that people here defend Naniwa. At least his behaviour was excusable by the tension accumulated through the previous games.


What naniwa did was disrespectful and wrong. Nobody doubts that. Its just that he does not deserve to be banned for this since he did not break any rules. He should have gotten off with a warning at most.
Ghola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:21:07
December 14 2011 11:16 GMT
#543
If this were really about professionalism, we wouldn't accept Gom.TV publically calling a pro player an amateur prize money hunter.

We all know Naniwa made a bad decision, but that doesn't excuse how a lot of the Korean's are acting.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
December 14 2011 11:16 GMT
#544
On December 14 2011 20:14 Wallstreet11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:08 Zalithian wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.


The amount of pro-nani bias is surprising, as usual.Not surprising most of the names say (Sweden).

I find it even more hilarious any fan of Naniwa could dare call GOM unprofessional. Just laughable.


Jesus then I bet you are an under cover south korean spreading "joy" to us all... Punishing players for something which don´t break any GSL rules is one of the most unprofessional things you can do, surely you realize this too?


"Going against the spirit of the game" is kind of a blanket rule in a lot of games or tournaments. Yeah, under cover Korean from Florida, man.
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
December 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#545
On December 14 2011 20:16 Ghola wrote:
If this were really about professionalism, we wouldn't accept Gom.TV publically calling a pro player an amateur prize money hunter.


Note that this was a vague translation, not from a professional translator.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
December 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#546
On December 14 2011 20:12 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:10 Gantritor wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.


I agree with you. If you follow any sport, you would know that even if the goals of a team are vanished, they still play, they do not cross their arms and behave like children. That's what Naniwa has done. And I am even more disappointed that people here defend Naniwa. At least his behaviour was excusable by the tension accumulated through the previous games.


BULLSHIT. they let all their best players rest. And Naniwa is the only player on his "team" so he let himself rest by ending the game in the quickest way possible.

I can't believe people are using 'he needed rest' as an argument. He only had to play 4 games. Thats all. No need for rest, just play the games and then he could have gone with what he has left of a reputation (not sure if he has ever had a good one) intact. He knew before turning up how many he had to play, and some could be pointless, he wasn't forced to join this tournament. He knew very well of the rules.
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Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:19:53
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#547
On December 14 2011 20:07 StUfF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:02 Clearout wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:59 StUfF wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:57 Clearout wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:55 Xax wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:47 Hagg wrote:
To quote another poster:
Gom should have been professional about being professional.
Naniwa probably deserved some kind of punishment, but GOM handled it more like the average butthurt toddler would than an international league. The justification given (the rule) is WAY too vague, and the personal attack upon Naniwa was dispicable.


The funny thing is that the community is bashing Gom for something someone vaguely translated on twitter. Maybe wait for a proper press release with non-lost-in-translation-wording.
I think losing his Code S spot is way too harsh a punishment, therefore I will boycott the next GSL season. No chance of misunderstanding, when I think that is petty way of acting, throwing out a punishment way too harsh for the "crime", IMO.


What would have been an acceptable punishment?

I don't see really any way where it would have really hurt Naniwa and discourage this behaviour in the future.
I found their first reaction fine, which was not inviting him to other invitationals like the Blizzard Cup. There is a difference in not giving him a privilege like that, and give the chance in their minds more deserving and "professionally minded players", than robbing him from his Code S spot which he earned at MLG.


First of all, Blizzard cup was similar "earnt" - they invited winners of major tournaments throughout the year. There were no invitations. The punishment you propose has zero immediate impact and very likely zero impact from there on (as GomTV has already given free spots to Naniwa already and they rarely do repeat invitations). A punishment like that is inconsequential and does not discourage naniwa from future behaviour at all.
They didn't have set tournaments which they annouced they would be inviting the winners from, therefore it is an invitational not a qualification.

I still think removing his code s spot is way too harsh. Naniwa is not an entertainer, he is not there for you to have a show, he's there to win, by attempting that he may give you entertainment. That makes a difference, they are not paying him to entertain. When they put him into a position where he feels horrible after 3 losses and expets him to still give them a show as if he was an entertainer, and then promptly throws out a obscenely harsh punsihment (IMO) for not entertaining I react strongly. Because I haven't seen them do anything to other examples of people not providing entertainment, I mean what about the consecutive allin'ers, sure they have a better chance of winning, but they are judging on entertainment provided now. Therefore I feel their reaction is petty. Why should there be so harsh consequences for not doing something which you aren't even there to do?
really?
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#548
Naniwa's behavior showed that he believes he's above Gom. Good for you guys, that behavior doesn't belong anywhere near professional esports.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#549
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.



Thank you, I can't stand this (boycotting Gom shit), seriously, can you guys not see how unprofessional/inappropriate Naniwa's actions were. I'm sure if Naniwa did that during an MLG he might have gotten off with just a slap on the wrists but Starcraft is like the national sport of Korea, you just can't pull that shit in Korea and get away with it. Additionally players have done less serious shit and have gotten worse punishments.
Asunanas
Profile Joined April 2011
53 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#550
I don't see the problem a lot of you have with GOM. Guys, it's a Korean company in Korea run by Koreans, it's their culture that they're going to enforce upon their company. Besides, it stains the image of GOM, Naniwa was invited to this tournament and was actually paid just to play in the first round, how could he just throw the game away and not want to play even after he was paid to do it? He is a professional entertainer, and what he did was just not professional, especially by Korean standards.
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#551
On December 14 2011 20:10 Gantritor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.


I agree with you. If you follow any sport, you would know that even if the goals of a team are vanished, they still play, they do not cross their arms and behave like children. That's what Naniwa has done. And I am even more disappointed that people here defend Naniwa. At least his behaviour was excusable by the tension accumulated through the previous games.


You don't need to agree with Naniwars beahviour to disagree with GOMs decision.

Naniwars behaviour clearly wasn't the best. My problem simply is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime, if there even was one. The right thing to do would have been a sternly worded warning and making a new rule to give you an actual basis from which to punish the next guy.
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Focuspants
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada780 Posts
December 14 2011 11:19 GMT
#552
On December 14 2011 20:11 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:10 Snorkle wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 bluQ wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:58 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!

Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.

And another guy putting up wrong analogies...
First of all: I work for the money not my boss. Second if I feel my actualy output of my work doesnt have any impact on my earnings I will only do what is needed and nothing more.
So ... lets see what Nani did ... right ... he did only what he needed to do ...

My business management book says I should terminate people with this attitude. I agree with it. Specifically "working only for money" and "I will only do what is needed and nothing more" Instead I should employee someone with less experience who is driven and invested in their work. Sen replacing Naniwa anyone?


and your business will suffer from this decision if you hire someone who can't even do what the original person did.


Rofl, your business doesnt suffer at all. Having someone that does the bare minimum, and has no respect for their craft, does not produce more results than having someone that has a sense of pride, responsibility, and a drive to be the best they can be.

The attitude most people have about this "meh he couldnt make more money so its not worth his time" obviously havent had to work for anythign serious in their lives. The world is competitive. You are responsible to the people that pay you, and if someone can do what youre doing better, you lose your job. In this case, the viewers are the root of Naniwas ability to earn money, and he spat on us. He clearly showed he is selfish, and if theres nothing in it for him, he doesnt care about us. I dont want a single penny of my money going to him, because he doesnt deserve it. I had to put in work to earn the money that pays for the stream, and he clearly doesnt care about the work I had to put in, to pay him.
ShineOnYou
Profile Joined November 2011
93 Posts
December 14 2011 11:19 GMT
#553
On December 14 2011 20:13 LaughingTrees wrote:
Naniwa was invited, he didn't earn his spot by climbing the GSL ranks. What is easily given can easily be taken away.

what the fuck are you talking about, he earned his code S spot by getting second place at MLG providence

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Mulletarian
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway101 Posts
December 14 2011 11:19 GMT
#554
On December 14 2011 19:44 epicdemic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:39 hjop wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:04 billz wrote:
If this was any other sport then lawyers would be consulted right now about lodging legal proceedings against Gom. Pretty scandalous behaviour from them - can you really imagine Manchester United getting banned from a tournament for fielding a weakened team in a game that doesn't matter?


Great comparison, except a 6 probe rush has a ZERO % chance of winning at all, where as a WEAKENED Manchester United team always has a chance of winning AND they are giving lesser experienced players an opportunity to get some experience.

I think you'd be better off comparing it to Manchester United not showing up at all, because then they'd have a ZERO % chance of winning.

Such an out of place comparison. Naniwa could have just proxy 2 gated, cannon rushed or 4 gated.


GOMTV isn't criticizing the build order, but the attitude of Naniwa. He didn't take the match seriously. So when Manchester United doesn't take a match seriously by fielding their worst players, that's a good comparison


Manchester United showing up, but then proceeding to sit on their asses in silent pouty protest for the entire game, letting the other team win, would be a better comparison.

And the crowd would have every right to be pissed off, considering they paid money to see the match.
Ncutable
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania99 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:21:33
December 14 2011 11:19 GMT
#555
On December 14 2011 20:15 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:15 Ncutable wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:03 bluQ wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 Ncutable wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:54 bluQ wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:53 Ncutable wrote:
To all these people comparing the situation to some professional sports. I think it´s most comparable to the Football WC. World´s best teams meet to represent their countries and decide who is the best team at the moment. But it´s not just that but also a big reason to celebrate the sport and have a great time, both for the fans and the players. So when in group stage there´s the third game to be played and 2 teams face who are already out (both lost first 2 games etc.) they give it their best nonetheless and usually also field their best players. Because it´s an honour to be one of the qualified teams and a pretty rare possibility for the fans to see their team compete against these other champions.
BlizzCup is a tourney that afaik GOM especially set up as a season closing event where fans get to see the best players from around the world showcasing there talents. That´s why Naniwa-Nestea game was played and in Up&Downs games like this aren´t.


Not true. Just not true. Germany don't starts with their best team-setup when they advanced no matter the result of the game. Stop telling lies please.


In case they don´t care about if they get 1st or 2nd, yes. But they do it because they either take care that their top players don´t get hurt/get some rest (the top players have a pretty packed season) or they want to try out how some players fit into the system. So, I think your argument is lacking in this regard.

There was no argument. I was stateing facts.
To give you an argument: Naniwa was resting his wrists so he could practice more in the evening and didn't want to show any gosu-strats of him. Enough of an arugment even if it is not true?


Well, your "facts" just aren´t a good analogy to the situation at hand. Because not fielding all of your your best players to prevent injury is not nearly the same as what Naniwa did. And you trying to argument (the wrist thing) didn´t work out to well imo. It´s pretty laughable as you yourself quoted.



actually it is. A team needs rest... so they put in the subs who barely ever play. Naniwa needs rest... so he minimizes the work he has to do in the game, because that game is meaningless.



You can´t be serious. WTF, he plays like 8 hrs/day every day and needs some extra 20ish minutes rest when his season is basically over? That´s not at least comparable to what 90+ minutes of professional football demand from the players.
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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:22:06
December 14 2011 11:19 GMT
#556
To the OP:

I assume that you don't read Korean. That rule is for when a player does something to "threaten" another player. So it is not applicable. More to the point, it doesn't matter what that rule says. It's there to give ground for DQ or warning in a match.


GOM always had a rule that said that they have a complete discretion as to who is allowed to play in GSL. You may not agree with the rule or it's application, but it's not like they made the rule up just to screw Naniwa.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
December 14 2011 11:20 GMT
#557
On December 14 2011 20:18 msl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:10 Gantritor wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.


I agree with you. If you follow any sport, you would know that even if the goals of a team are vanished, they still play, they do not cross their arms and behave like children. That's what Naniwa has done. And I am even more disappointed that people here defend Naniwa. At least his behaviour was excusable by the tension accumulated through the previous games.


You don't need to agree with Naniwars beahviour to disagree with GOMs decision.

Naniwars behaviour clearly wasn't the best. My problem simply is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime, if there even was one. The right thing to do would have been a sternly worded warning and making a new rule to give you an actual basis from which to punish the next guy.


sicne when do people think warnings actually accomplish anything?
Wallstreet11
Profile Joined October 2011
133 Posts
December 14 2011 11:20 GMT
#558
On December 14 2011 20:13 legaton wrote:
Hey guys, remember when Naniwa was banned from IEM (ESL Europe)? And German ESL? Are you going to claim "korean" bias on those two bans too? Naniwa just needs to learn how to behave as a pro, it is as simple as that.


You are 1000% correct when you compare a stitutation when he broke the rules with a situation he didn´t break the rules and is way more important. I believe he got a lot of warnings before being kicked out also. Do you think he would have probe rushed if he would have gotten a warning about it and the consequenses of "cheezing", even thou without breaking any rules? How can you foresee punishment when there is no "law" against it?

This was such a clear lynching by many Korean teams and ultimately GOM.
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#559
On December 14 2011 20:20 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:18 msl wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:10 Gantritor wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.

There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.

TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.

P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.


I agree with you. If you follow any sport, you would know that even if the goals of a team are vanished, they still play, they do not cross their arms and behave like children. That's what Naniwa has done. And I am even more disappointed that people here defend Naniwa. At least his behaviour was excusable by the tension accumulated through the previous games.


You don't need to agree with Naniwars beahviour to disagree with GOMs decision.

Naniwars behaviour clearly wasn't the best. My problem simply is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime, if there even was one. The right thing to do would have been a sternly worded warning and making a new rule to give you an actual basis from which to punish the next guy.


sicne when do people think warnings actually accomplish anything?


continue to the rest of the sentence please...
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#560
On December 14 2011 20:10 Snorkle wrote:
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On December 14 2011 20:00 bluQ wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:58 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!

Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.

And another guy putting up wrong analogies...
First of all: I work for the money not my boss. Second if I feel my actualy output of my work doesnt have any impact on my earnings I will only do what is needed and nothing more.
So ... lets see what Nani did ... right ... he did only what he needed to do ...

My business management book says I should terminate people with this attitude. I agree with it. Specifically "working only for money" and "I will only do what is needed and nothing more" Instead I should employee someone with less experience who is driven and invested in their work. Sen replacing Naniwa anyone?

I'm not sure you can find anyone more driven than naniwa. The issue certainly isn't his dedication. Infact, naniwas reaction can be understood as a consequence of how invested he is. He wants to be the best player, that is his one and only goal. In that light, a match that decides who is fourth in his group is meaningless, as the match had no consequence for the tournament.
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