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On December 14 2011 19:21 chenchen wrote:
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A.
Believe me, Swedish people in general are far from being nationalistic. I think it has more to do with the fact that our two countries are very different, polar opposites almost when it comes to concepts like respect, pride and social hierarchy in general (we don't even use honorifics here anymore), so it's perhaps especially hard for us to understand the strong reactions from the Korean scene and the reasoning behind the decision to ban him.
For example, if he had done the exact same thing at a DH event no one in the management would have cared - actually, knowing them they would have just had a laugh about it and perhaps tried to turn the situation around into something positive/funny instead.
Just think about what would happen to a Korean progamer that did what Naniwa did . . . the team would probably kick him out to disassociate themselves with someone so disrespectful.
Yeah, this is exactly the kind of treatment we have a hard time understanding 
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On December 14 2011 20:01 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:00 bluQ wrote:On December 14 2011 19:58 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
And another guy putting up wrong analogies... First of all: I work for the money not my boss. Second if I feel my actualy output of my work doesnt have any impact on my earnings I will only do what is needed and nothing more. So ... lets see what Nani did ... right ... he did only what he needed to do ... Do you work? You don't decide your own responsibilities and duties when you get hired.
no but you agree on them... duh
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On December 14 2011 20:03 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:59 hahaimhenry wrote:On December 14 2011 19:56 bluQ wrote:On December 14 2011 19:55 Focuspants wrote:On December 14 2011 19:32 hahaimhenry wrote:On December 14 2011 19:30 Focuspants wrote:
Im happy with this decision. Anyone in any other sport would have been punished for this action. There are tons of players that would kill someone to get a chance to play a game on that grand of a stage vs. a player like Nestea. Im a fan of Hero, and it was breaking my heart watching him not play his best. But he still tried. You could see how upset he was, but he handled it like a pro, took his lumps, and still PLAYED the game, because thats what he signed up for. We pay money to watch the tournament, not to watch someone not give a shit. If this happened at a pro sporting event, fans would be outraged. The fact that people support his behaviour is completely mind boggling.
I think the punishment is very fit for what he did. You're from Canada, I bet you watch hockey like I do. When has a team in the NHL gotten punished for not playing their best players? If you watch basketball, teams seeded in the playoffs start playing their B-teamers near the end of the season 'cause it doesn't matter anymore. The NBA doesn't punish them for this. Equating what he did to playing B teamers is a terrible analogy. Those B teamers have something to prove. They push hard, try to win, play for pride, play for the fans. You do realize we essentially allow them to do what they do. if nobody watched, or paid money, their job wouldnt exist. Probe rushing would be more like a hockey team getting the puck at the opening faceoff, putting it in their own net, and skating off the ice, then saying the game didnt mean anything who cares. Any PROFESSIONAL athlete should realize, that even if they dont give a shit, they owe it to the fans, sponsors, their team, and the sport, to play the game. If I went to a Leafs game (I live in Toronto) and somethign like this happened, i would be outraged, as would the whole city, as would the league. God ... stop putting up WRONG anaologies: Scoring a goal on your own side = attacking your own buildings/killing your own units ... IKR? you're saying how B-teamers are playing hard and everything, but we're looking at the team as a whole. the team is not using their multimillion dollar athletes to do their jobs, instead using their developing players. If you REALLY want to win a game, you put out your best players, simple enough? But they don't do that in real sports and DON'T GET PUNISHED. So the correct analogy is to hit the puck once as weakly as possible towards the opposing team's goalie. Then when the goalie blocks the goal the entire team goes and sits on the bench until the refs declare the game over.
Jesus you guys are taking my analogy and completely turning it into something retarded. I want every single one of you to listen carefully.
It's this simple: professional sports teams play their best players when it matters, when it doesn't, they don't. Same situation, Naniwa plays when it matters, when it doesn't, he doesn't play. I don't get how it's so hard to understand.
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On December 14 2011 20:00 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:58 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
And another guy putting up wrong analogies... First of all: I work for the money not my boss. Second if I feel my actualy output of my work doesnt have any impact on my earnings I will only do what is needed and nothing more. So ... lets see what Nani did ... right ... he did only what he needed to do ...
GOM works for their money by providing audience entertainment. naniwa did not provide and GOM owes their boss (the audience) what they want to get their money. they cut naniwa for actual entertainment.
you are secretly defending GOM with this statement
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On December 14 2011 19:56 Vod.kaholic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:22 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
He kinda put Gom in a hard position. Punish Naniwa, foreign fans get butthurt. Don't punish him, Koreans get butthurt. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This is probably one of the best summations of the whole incident. Throwing tournament games is beyond unacceptable in the Korean pro-gaming mentality, and given that GSL is a Korean tournament, I don't think all the "oh but it was a worthless game so whatever" arguments are valid. If you look at it that way, you're not considering this from the other perspective. When in Rome, do as the Romans do, don't shit on their porches and act all surprised when they kick you out.
You're both so right.
I was pondering about this maybe 20 minutes ago and realised how damaging this could actually be to the two scenes. It's clear that even putting this incident aside, the mentalities of many of the fans are COMPLETELY different. It is going to be very very hard to change this if it can be changed at all. You can't just take that Korean respectful attitude, and mesh it, or change it, to meld with the more casual foreigner attitude. We're a more democratic people. We believe in warnings, and the right to make mistakes and learn from them. Many of our countries were founded on protest and free speech. But Koreans are clearly a much more ... i want to say punitive (for lack of a better word) culture where respect is paramount and this is a clear example of that. Factor in the Savior thing and this is just a fucking terrible situation for everyone.
So i guess it begs the question... favour Korean fans of favour foreigners? While i am completely disgusted with their decision (and won't be paying or watching GSL again until i forgive them) i think they made the right call. You gotta look after your own people to survive. That's really all there is to it as far as GOM is concerned.
First time since SC2 came out that use of the phrase "hurting ESPORTS" has been valid.
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On December 14 2011 20:00 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:57 msl wrote:On December 14 2011 19:55 Xax wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Hagg wrote:
To quote another poster:
Gom should have been professional about being professional.
Naniwa probably deserved some kind of punishment, but GOM handled it more like the average butthurt toddler would than an international league. The justification given (the rule) is WAY too vague, and the personal attack upon Naniwa was dispicable. The funny thing is that the community is bashing Gom for something someone vaguely translated on twitter. Maybe wait for a proper press release with non-lost-in-translation-wording. Well, if the press release doesn't say "Sorry, our mistake, we reverse the decision regarding naniwa" I don't see how phrasing your abuse of power and double standards changes anything. you keep using those words, but I don't think you understand what they mean..
Sure, I will play
Abuse of power:
ABUSE OF POWER is that situation that exists whenever someone who has POWER over others, (that is, the capacity to impose his or her will on those others) unjustifiably uses that power to EXPLOIT or HARM those others, or through lack of action, ALLOWS exploitation or harm to occur to them. .
So GOM HARMS Naniwa by revocing the Code S seed. This harm is UNJUSTIFIED as no existing rule was broken.
A double standard is the unjust application of different sets of principles for similar situations.
Like applying different punishments (or rahther punishing one instance and not the other) for obviously throwing a meaningles game and doing it in slightly circumspect manner.
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On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.
There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.
TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.
P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.
Oh boy. You insult us and make false assumption and talk of "chilidish arguments"? If you say we should just booho and get out then. I will throw it back to you untill you don't accuse ppl for things you do at the same time.
Go and do your homework!
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On December 14 2011 20:05 126Q;A1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:21 chenchen wrote:
It's pretty disappointing how grossly nationalistic Swedish people are. I'd honestly expect such a "developed" and "liberal" country to be a little less narrow minded. The same people who refuse to buy GSL tickets because Naniwa, who happens to be Swedish, got kicked out, would probably rally and buy GSL tickets the moment Sase or Jinro gets to play in Code A. Believe me, Swedish people in general are far from being nationalistic. I think it has more to do with the fact that our two countries are very different, polar opposites almost when it comes to concepts like respect, pride and social hierarchy in general (we don't even use honorifics here anymore), so it's perhaps especially hard for us to understand the strong reactions from the Korean scene and the reasoning behind the decision to ban him. For example, if he had done the exact same thing at a DH event no one in the management would have cared - actually, knowing them they would have just had a laugh about it and perhaps tried to turn the situation around into something positive/funny instead. Show nested quote +Just think about what would happen to a Korean progamer that did what Naniwa did . . . the team would probably kick him out to disassociate themselves with someone so disrespectful. Yeah, this is exactly the kind of treatment we have a hard time understanding
what you're comparing is incredibly different. If it wasn't starcraft but someone pulled the same stunt in football instead, I highly doubt people will just "laugh it off".
The difference being starcraft is the Korean's football
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On December 14 2011 20:02 Clearout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:59 StUfF wrote:On December 14 2011 19:57 Clearout wrote:On December 14 2011 19:55 Xax wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Hagg wrote:
To quote another poster:
Gom should have been professional about being professional.
Naniwa probably deserved some kind of punishment, but GOM handled it more like the average butthurt toddler would than an international league. The justification given (the rule) is WAY too vague, and the personal attack upon Naniwa was dispicable. The funny thing is that the community is bashing Gom for something someone vaguely translated on twitter. Maybe wait for a proper press release with non-lost-in-translation-wording. I think losing his Code S spot is way too harsh a punishment, therefore I will boycott the next GSL season. No chance of misunderstanding, when I think that is petty way of acting, throwing out a punishment way too harsh for the "crime", IMO. What would have been an acceptable punishment? I don't see really any way where it would have really hurt Naniwa and discourage this behaviour in the future. I found their first reaction fine, which was not inviting him to other invitationals like the Blizzard Cup. There is a difference in not giving him a privilege like that, and give the chance in their minds more deserving and "professionally minded players", than robbing him from his Code S spot which he earned at MLG.
First of all, Blizzard cup was similar "earnt" - they invited winners of major tournaments throughout the year. There were no invitations. The punishment you propose has zero immediate impact and very likely zero impact from there on (as GomTV has already given free spots to Naniwa already and they rarely do repeat invitations). A punishment like that is inconsequential and does not discourage naniwa from future behaviour at all.
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On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.
There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.
TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.
P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud.
The amount of pro-nani bias is surprising, as usual.Not surprising most of the names say (Sweden).
I find it even more hilarious any fan of Naniwa could dare call GOM unprofessional. Just laughable.
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On December 14 2011 20:06 msl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:00 iky43210 wrote:On December 14 2011 19:57 msl wrote:On December 14 2011 19:55 Xax wrote:On December 14 2011 19:47 Hagg wrote:
To quote another poster:
Gom should have been professional about being professional.
Naniwa probably deserved some kind of punishment, but GOM handled it more like the average butthurt toddler would than an international league. The justification given (the rule) is WAY too vague, and the personal attack upon Naniwa was dispicable. The funny thing is that the community is bashing Gom for something someone vaguely translated on twitter. Maybe wait for a proper press release with non-lost-in-translation-wording. Well, if the press release doesn't say "Sorry, our mistake, we reverse the decision regarding naniwa" I don't see how phrasing your abuse of power and double standards changes anything. you keep using those words, but I don't think you understand what they mean.. Sure, I will play Abuse of power: ABUSE OF POWER is that situation that exists whenever someone who has POWER over others, (that is, the capacity to impose his or her will on those others) unjustifiably uses that power to EXPLOIT or HARM those others, or through lack of action, ALLOWS exploitation or harm to occur to them. . So GOM HARMS Naniwa by revocing the Code S seed. This harm is UNJUSTIFIED as no existing rule was broken. A double standard is the unjust application of different sets of principles for similar situations. Like applying different punishments (or rahther punishing one instance and not the other) for obviously throwing a meaningles game and doing it in slightly circumspect manner.
He just didn't know what the words meant so he asked it in a much harsher way lol
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Im fine with it solely because I consider taht a lot better than doing some stupid strat that you dont care about and wasting my time. At least he didnt try to insult my intellegence by playing a game he didnt care about with some stupid 6 gate and waste 10 minutes.
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On December 14 2011 20:06 lrofd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:00 bluQ wrote:On December 14 2011 19:58 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
And another guy putting up wrong analogies... First of all: I work for the money not my boss. Second if I feel my actualy output of my work doesnt have any impact on my earnings I will only do what is needed and nothing more. So ... lets see what Nani did ... right ... he did only what he needed to do ... GOM works for their money by providing audience entertainment. naniwa did not provide and GOM owes their boss (the audience) what they want to get their money. they cut naniwa for actual entertainment. you are secretly defending GOM with this statement
Actually. Naniwa's job is to try to win the competition.
It's GOM's job to provide a competition that forces Naniwa to play meaningful games. They failed to do so for his last game because it was meaningless to the result of the competition so he didn't try.
No one goes up in arms in other sports when a team doesn't play any of their best players because they're letting them rest for the playoffs... the decision is dogmatic and hare-brained.
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Cause I'm feeling some ESPORTS passion, I want to chip in my views (Just in case this thread serves as an unofficial poll of sorts on the general reaction from the whole situation).
- GOM is punishing a player who made a poor, but not 'offensive' decision to play a low percentage strategy. He didn't leave the game or forfeit before it started.
- GOM takes zero ownership in creating the issue, as their format created a meaningless game. Perhaps they figured out how to make a meaningless game matter....ban the player over a very poor 'strategy' choice.
- Mr Chae called Naniwa an 'amateur money hunter'. This is a disgraceful thing for him to say. It is totally unfair to label a player who plays at his level an amateur. It is also insanely hypocritical for a league who charges viewers and takes on sponsor money to take such a position. They too are in it for money. Take away your prize pool Mr Chae and see how many 'professional' players remain. Also, Mr Chae should show some restraint when speaking about the pro players who make his league successful. It's a discredit to hear him so easily disparage a player because they play the game to win -- and win money.
Aside from ranting a little on TL, I can only speak with my wallet on this matter. GOM has lost a long time pass purchaser/supporter for now. I love them for the long term, but right now I cannot bring myself to buy the yearly pass (or any pass for that matter).
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On December 14 2011 19:58 YMCApylons wrote:
Awesome. No one is going to dare screw around with GSL now. It's like Wimbledon. You shut-up, don't mouth at the line judges, and you can wear any color, as long as it's white. If you want to build a professional-level event, you shut down amateur behavior, with extreme prejudice.
They lose the Naniwa fans, big deal. They'll be another flavor of foreigner hero coming along shortly for them to bandwagon onto. Besides, GSL doesn't give a damn about your stream viewership. Have you seen the ads on the GSL?
They didn't just lose Naniwa Fans. I am by no means a Naniwa fan at all but I cannot abide a player getting singled out and banned from a tournament on the most ambiguous of rules that any number of other players could have had applied to their behaviour over the last year. It's bullshit and Gom needs to respect the players by at least establishing concrete rules instead of arbitrarily deciding when the line is crossed.
Given what foreign players and their teams invest in both time and money to send a player to korea to in a fucking 24 hour period decide to ban a player from the tournament is the height of arrogance and it's arrogance we've seen from Mr. Chae before in his open letters on TL from when MLG and the GSL started their exchange program. I won't support such dickishness with my money.
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On December 14 2011 20:08 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.
There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.
TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.
P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud. The amount of pro-nani bias is surprising, as usual.Not surprising most of the names say (Sweden). I find it even more hilarious any fan of Naniwa could dare call GOM unprofessional. Just laughable.
they are incredibly unprofessional by western standards.
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Are you kidding me?? As a foreigner Naniwa is a huuuuge part of my willingness to watch GSL otherwise it´s just a bunch of Koreans which don´t interest me nearly as much and now they slam him even when he broke NO rule? Petrified koreans whining collectively so they can push the foreign GSL champ killer out of their way... Avsolute JOKE to punish him on other grounds than directly breaking a stated rule! Shape the f up GSL.
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On December 14 2011 19:57 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:56 bluQ wrote:On December 14 2011 19:55 Focuspants wrote:On December 14 2011 19:32 hahaimhenry wrote:On December 14 2011 19:30 Focuspants wrote:
Im happy with this decision. Anyone in any other sport would have been punished for this action. There are tons of players that would kill someone to get a chance to play a game on that grand of a stage vs. a player like Nestea. Im a fan of Hero, and it was breaking my heart watching him not play his best. But he still tried. You could see how upset he was, but he handled it like a pro, took his lumps, and still PLAYED the game, because thats what he signed up for. We pay money to watch the tournament, not to watch someone not give a shit. If this happened at a pro sporting event, fans would be outraged. The fact that people support his behaviour is completely mind boggling.
I think the punishment is very fit for what he did. You're from Canada, I bet you watch hockey like I do. When has a team in the NHL gotten punished for not playing their best players? If you watch basketball, teams seeded in the playoffs start playing their B-teamers near the end of the season 'cause it doesn't matter anymore. The NBA doesn't punish them for this. Equating what he did to playing B teamers is a terrible analogy. Those B teamers have something to prove. They push hard, try to win, play for pride, play for the fans. You do realize we essentially allow them to do what they do. if nobody watched, or paid money, their job wouldnt exist. Probe rushing would be more like a hockey team getting the puck at the opening faceoff, putting it in their own net, and skating off the ice, then saying the game didnt mean anything who cares. Any PROFESSIONAL athlete should realize, that even if they dont give a shit, they owe it to the fans, sponsors, their team, and the sport, to play the game. If I went to a Leafs game (I live in Toronto) and somethign like this happened, i would be outraged, as would the whole city, as would the league. God ... stop putting up WRONG anaologies: Scoring a goal on your own side = attacking your own buildings/killing your own units ... how about just sitting on the pitch --> hands off keyboard.
Haha, how about this analogy:
probe rush = putting all 11 players (so also goalie) on the mid line at kickoff and let everyone rush towards the other goal.
It matches the "early game rush", and the "clearly not with the intention of winning". Actually, for the analogy to be really true, the game should end after first goal, so pretend it is overtime. Also the 11 players on the mid line probably probably CAN score a goal with some luck, which kindof breaks the analogy. Maybe better to let the 11 players walk up the field on a line, while lazily trying to pass the ball between themselves?  Tough problem, this analogy...
And on the 6 pool: there are people getting GM with 6 pool only. worker rushers struggle to get out of bronze. That is the difference.
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On December 14 2011 20:06 lrofd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:00 bluQ wrote:On December 14 2011 19:58 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!
Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.
And another guy putting up wrong analogies... First of all: I work for the money not my boss. Second if I feel my actualy output of my work doesnt have any impact on my earnings I will only do what is needed and nothing more. So ... lets see what Nani did ... right ... he did only what he needed to do ... GOM works for their money by providing audience entertainment. naniwa did not provide and GOM owes their boss (the audience) what they want to get their money. they cut naniwa for actual entertainment. you are secretly defending GOM with this statement
According to TL it was the best game of the night. I tend to agree since the rest of the night was very bad.
So then..... what?
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On December 14 2011 20:08 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:04 HyperLethality wrote:
Honestly, I am shocked by the amount of people who are trying to "boycott" Gom, and to be even more frank, I find it ridiculously absurd and stupid of what people are saying to defend NaNiwa. First of all, if you don't want to watch the GSL anymore because of this, boohoo, get out then. Nobody cares, and if you condone NaNiwa's behavior then Gom doesn't need people like you anyway. Second of all, "NaNiwa didn't break any rules" is the most childish argument you could throw at this situation. When you become an "adult" and "mature", you start realizing that your behavior shouldn't be guided by "rules". There's absolutely no excuse for NaNiwa's disrespect. It's not just what he did, but how he did it, understanding the weight of the match even. You guys really want to defend a guy who would do that to his fans? Have some self-respect, damn.
There's a level of respect that you have to show, when you enter someone else's turf. Also, whether or not you're a NesTea fan, he is one of the best players in the world, and when you face someone of that caliber, you bring your best as an acknowledgement of their skill. This was disrespectful. AND EVEN THOUGH, I don't entirely agree that a punishment this severe is necessary, if Gom sees FIT, then so be it. They have every right. NaNiwa shouldn't be babied for any reason whatsoever, and let this be an example and set a standard for all players and a level of professionalism.
TL;DR: NaNiwa represented the foreign community and messed up embarrassingly on someone else's turf, they have every right to punish him. It's not even what he did, but how he did it.
P.S And for many of you who are defending and crying for NaNiwa, at least hide your country or something for crying out loud. The amount of pro-nani bias is surprising, as usual.Not surprising most of the names say (Sweden). I find it even more hilarious any fan of Naniwa could dare call GOM unprofessional. Just laughable.
Go on and hate more nationalities. This is really educated and adult way to deal with things. At least around 1945.
GOM called nani unprofessional. Why shouldn't you then be allowed to put up such ridicouls accusation yourself about GOM if they do it?
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