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CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 14 2011 11:29 GMT
#581
On December 14 2011 20:19 NHY wrote:
To the OP:

I assume that you don't read Korean. That rule is for when a player does something to "threaten" another player. So it is not applicable. More to the point, it doesn't matter what that rule says. It's there to give ground for DQ or warning in a match.


GOM always had a rule that said that they have a complete discretion as to who is allowed to play in GSL. You may not agree with the rule or it's application, but it's not like they made the rule up just to screw Naniwa.


Threaten is the direct translation which wouldn't make any sense in the context with "during a match" I studied law and I know how Koreans use words to draft rules and conditions. Like I said, I am only translating and I did not make change the word to take anyone's side.
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Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 11:29 GMT
#582
On December 14 2011 20:27 Focuspants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:13 legaton wrote:
Hey guys, remember when Naniwa was banned from IEM (ESL Europe)? And German ESL? Are you going to claim "korean" bias on those two bans too? Naniwa just needs to learn how to behave as a pro, it is as simple as that.


You are 1000% correct when you compare a stitutation when he broke the rules with a situation he didn´t break the rules and is way more important. I believe he got a lot of warnings before being kicked out also. Do you think he would have probe rushed if he would have gotten a warning about it and the consequenses of "cheezing", even thou without breaking any rules? How can you foresee punishment when there is no "law" against it?

This was such a clear lynching by many Korean teams and ultimately GOM.


Rofl this is so ridiculous. I Korean would have almost certainly been punished even harder. This isnt a lynching. He spat on their tournament, and he got burned for it. He deserves it. Theres no lynching. Your argument is insanely immature and naive. Is the tournament supposed to outline everypossible thing you could do during the tournament to tell you if its allowed or not? You need to realize that integrity is important, you shouldnt need people telling you that.


He didn't spit on their tournament. He realized that the game was pointless, and didn't play it out.


To say there needs to be a written rule that probe rushes are not allowed for them to have the "right" to punsih him is wrong. Its their tournament, he misrepresented it, they have full right to kick him out. If he would have gotten out of the booth, and started giving the camera the finger, and been kicked out for that, could you really say that he cant be kicked out because there isnt a written rule that youre not allowed to leave your booth and give the camera the finger? Its a silly argument. There are basic standards that need to be met in professional sports, and if you dont meet them, you get punished.

giving the finger can easily be interpreted as offensive to just about anyone.

There's no RULE that says you MUST try your best to win. It is ASSUMED because you need to win in order to win the whole tournament. But if you have no chance to win the whole tournament, then you no longer have an incentive to play well, at which point who cares what you do?
msl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany477 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:30:43
December 14 2011 11:30 GMT
#583
Edit: Ninja'd
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Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
December 14 2011 11:30 GMT
#584
Please forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason that 99% of the time threads like this one don't include what actually happened?

What did Naniwa do that's causing so much trouble?
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 14 2011 11:30 GMT
#585
The moral of the story is: don't fucking bite the hand that is feeding you. And maybe, just maybe try to understand the culture in which you are working in order to avoid offending everyone you come in contact with.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 14 2011 11:31 GMT
#586
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zalithian wrote:
I swear to fucking god Team Liquid has been taken over by 16 year old girls. Since when did being a completely selfish and disrespectful become the cool trend on here?

Yours is a great comment. Disrespects all TL'ers. Calls TL'ers out for approving of being disrespectful.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:32:01
December 14 2011 11:31 GMT
#587
On December 14 2011 20:30 Ermac wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason that 99% of the time threads like this one don't include what actually happened?

What did Naniwa do that's causing so much trouble?


group stages. both him and nestea are 0-3 so will take 4th and 5th places in the group (there are 5 people in the group.) Both 4th and 5th places are inconsequential, so Naniwa probe rushed.

Result? His code S spot in the next tournament is taken away from him.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:34:07
December 14 2011 11:31 GMT
#588
On December 14 2011 20:28 Clearout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zalithian wrote:
I swear to fucking god Team Liquid has been taken over by 16 year old girls. Since when did being a completely selfish and disrespectful become the cool trend on here?
Since when did (IMO) giving out excessively harsh punishments, ruining months of work and dedication for a player, on the grounds of he not properly entertaining them in their pointless match become ok? Especially considering he is not an entertainer and they are not paying him to be one, he is a competitor, providing entertainment by proxy of competing.


Excessively harsh? He got his seed taken away that he didn't even earn through the traditional route. He disrespected the organizers of GOM. GOM runs GSL. Shocking they wouldn't want him in their tournament next season. Guy gets paid to play Starcraft and he won't even play a televised game vs Nestea in a tournament he agreed to (including prize money?) Do you know any other players 0-10 on Korea who are in Code S?

So much white knighting on here.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#589
On December 14 2011 20:30 Ermac wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason that 99% of the time threads like this one don't include what actually happened?

What did Naniwa do that's causing so much trouble?


Probe rushed Nestea.

Turned out to be the best game of the night by TL polls, so not sure why he got punished.
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Wallstreet11
Profile Joined October 2011
133 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#590
On December 14 2011 20:27 Focuspants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:13 legaton wrote:
Hey guys, remember when Naniwa was banned from IEM (ESL Europe)? And German ESL? Are you going to claim "korean" bias on those two bans too? Naniwa just needs to learn how to behave as a pro, it is as simple as that.


You are 1000% correct when you compare a stitutation when he broke the rules with a situation he didn´t break the rules and is way more important. I believe he got a lot of warnings before being kicked out also. Do you think he would have probe rushed if he would have gotten a warning about it and the consequenses of "cheezing", even thou without breaking any rules? How can you foresee punishment when there is no "law" against it?

This was such a clear lynching by many Korean teams and ultimately GOM.


Rofl this is so ridiculous. I Korean would have almost certainly been punished even harder. This isnt a lynching. He spat on their tournament, and he got burned for it. He deserves it. Theres no lynching. Your argument is insanely immature and naive. Is the tournament supposed to outline everypossible thing you could do during the tournament to tell you if its allowed or not? You need to realize that integrity is important, you shouldnt need people telling you that.

To say there needs to be a written rule that probe rushes are not allowed for them to have the "right" to punsih him is wrong. Its their tournament, he misrepresented it, they have full right to kick him out. If he would have gotten out of the booth, and started giving the camera the finger, and been kicked out for that, could you really say that he cant be kicked out because there isnt a written rule that youre not allowed to leave your booth and give the camera the finger? Its a silly argument. There are basic standards that need to be met in professional sports, and if you dont meet them, you get punished.


It must be hard to live up to standards you don´t even have in writing. Do you call training night and day and playing your heart out just to lose on the finnishing line and then just when you are crushed about the fact that you didn´t aadvance you do a sh.it cheeze spitting on the tournament? Have you even a clue about how much this tournament meant for him? This move is like kicking someone who is lying down. In no way shape or form should the punishment be this hard when it doesn´t give or take away any sort of advantage to another player! This is ridiculously harsh. But hey it´s easy for you to judge him and wanting him out since I guess you can´t put yourself in his shoes. Wuld you cry like this if MVP, Nestea or MC did the exact same thing?
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#591
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zalithian wrote:
I swear to fucking god Team Liquid has been taken over by 16 year old girls. Since when did being a completely selfish and disrespectful become the cool trend on here?


Don't judge me based on my age or gender!! You just don't understand how dark Naniwa is! He can't help being what he is, with such a unquenchable thirst for blood. Now I have to go and watch twilight 4 to calm down at it is all you fault!!!
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#592
I'm just surprised so many people on this site support match throwing because it happens to be a foreigner.
日本語が分かりますか
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#593
On December 14 2011 20:31 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:30 Ermac wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason that 99% of the time threads like this one don't include what actually happened?

What did Naniwa do that's causing so much trouble?


group stages. both him and nestea are 0-3 so will take 4th and 5th places in the group (there are 5 people in the group.) Both 4th and 5th places are inconsequential, so Naniwa probe rushed.

Result? His code S spot in the next tournament is taken away from him.


Thank you. In that case, well... certainly not the best move from Naniwa, but the punishment is a bit harsh imho.
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 11:33 GMT
#594
On December 14 2011 20:31 Zalithian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:28 Clearout wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zalithian wrote:
I swear to fucking god Team Liquid has been taken over by 16 year old girls. Since when did being a completely selfish and disrespectful become the cool trend on here?
Since when did (IMO) giving out excessively harsh punishments, ruining months of work and dedication for a player, on the grounds of he not properly entertaining them in their pointless match become ok? Especially considering he is not an entertainer and they are not paying him to be one, he is a competitor, providing entertainment by proxy of competing.


Excessively harsh? He got his seed taken away that he didn't even earn through the traditional route. He disrespected the organizers of GOM. GOM runs GSL. Shocking they wouldn't want him in their tournament next season. Guy gets paid to play Starcraft and he won't even play a televised game vs Nestea in a tournament he agreed to (including prize money?)

So much white knighting on here.


He did play a game. If you're playing a game for a tournament there's an implication there that this game is meaningful to your placement in this tournament.

That game wasn't so he didn't try in it. There's no rule that says "you must try to win at all times" it is up to the scheduling and the tournament format to guarantee that this is the case.
crystyxn
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania254 Posts
December 14 2011 11:34 GMT
#595
DAVID KIM HELL YEAH
"You should be the one putting pressure on your opponent, not the other way around." - Artosis
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
December 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#596
On December 14 2011 20:33 Ermac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:31 Kiarip wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:30 Ermac wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason that 99% of the time threads like this one don't include what actually happened?

What did Naniwa do that's causing so much trouble?


group stages. both him and nestea are 0-3 so will take 4th and 5th places in the group (there are 5 people in the group.) Both 4th and 5th places are inconsequential, so Naniwa probe rushed.

Result? His code S spot in the next tournament is taken away from him.


Thank you. In that case, well... certainly not the best move from Naniwa, but the punishment is a bit harsh imho.


Completely agree with you. Absolutely retarded move from Naniwa given how dogmatic Koreans are, plus considering the xenophobia over there.

GOM? unprofessional as expected, Naniwa should have known better.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
December 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#597
On December 14 2011 20:33 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:31 Zalithian wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:28 Clearout wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zalithian wrote:
I swear to fucking god Team Liquid has been taken over by 16 year old girls. Since when did being a completely selfish and disrespectful become the cool trend on here?
Since when did (IMO) giving out excessively harsh punishments, ruining months of work and dedication for a player, on the grounds of he not properly entertaining them in their pointless match become ok? Especially considering he is not an entertainer and they are not paying him to be one, he is a competitor, providing entertainment by proxy of competing.


Excessively harsh? He got his seed taken away that he didn't even earn through the traditional route. He disrespected the organizers of GOM. GOM runs GSL. Shocking they wouldn't want him in their tournament next season. Guy gets paid to play Starcraft and he won't even play a televised game vs Nestea in a tournament he agreed to (including prize money?)

So much white knighting on here.


He did play a game. If you're playing a game for a tournament there's an implication there that this game is meaningful to your placement in this tournament.

That game wasn't so he didn't try in it. There's no rule that says "you must try to win at all times" it is up to the scheduling and the tournament format to guarantee that this is the case.


Do you have no idea how many games are played that are meaningless in almost all sports? I guess everyone who starts off 0-2 in MLG should worker rush all their games, I mean if the can't win, why bother?
setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
December 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#598
On December 14 2011 20:33 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:24 Zalithian wrote:
I swear to fucking god Team Liquid has been taken over by 16 year old girls. Since when did being a completely selfish and disrespectful become the cool trend on here?


Don't judge me based on my age or gender!! You just don't understand how dark Naniwa is! He can't help being what he is, with such a unquenchable thirst for blood. Now I have to go and watch twilight 4 to calm down at it is all you fault!!!


LOL! Best reply in this thread!
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 14 2011 11:35 GMT
#599
On December 14 2011 20:34 crystyxn wrote:
DAVID KIM HELL YEAH


I LIKE HOW YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE THAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE THING ! DK HELL YEA!
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Wallstreet11
Profile Joined October 2011
133 Posts
December 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#600
Well at least now I can get back to not watching GSL as it´s no fun for ME without the hope of a foreigner upset...
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