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Elasticity
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:41 Knightess wrote: somehow I just lost a bit my respect about "respecting people" or "honor" of korea. basically this | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
By the Naniwa fans. Why? Because it's only one tournament. It will not affect Naniwa's ability to play on GSTL and subsequent GSL seasons. And I happen to be a Naniwa fan because of his bad boy image and ability to shake things up. Guys seriously it's just one tourney. No harm no foul. I think GOMTV did the right thing, and it really doesn't affect Naniwa in the larger scheme of things. | ||
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RiT4LiN
Netherlands131 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:39 Mi.rai wrote: What a joke move by GOMTV, lost all my respect. Nice contribution to the discussion.. You could try to make a statement or argument for your opinion.. I personally think the punishment is a little harsh but I think more factors played a rol in this decision. Previous experience with naniwa (his image), the interview afterwards and the interview before blizzard cup. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:42 D_K_night wrote: Overeaction. By the Naniwa fans. Why? Because it's only one tournament. It will not affect Naniwa's ability to play on GSTL and subsequent GSL seasons. And I happen to be a Naniwa fan because of his bad boy image and ability to shake things up. Guys seriously it's just one tourney. No harm no foul. I think GOMTV did the right thing, and it really doesn't affect Naniwa in the larger scheme of things. Oh it's not like Naniwa is very competetive and has wanted to win the GSL his entire career in sc2, oh wait. It's his damn goal. GSL is the tournament above all because of the players in it. Naniwa wants to win it. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:29 CryingPoo wrote: Threaten is the direct translation which wouldn't make any sense in the context with "during a match" I studied law and I know how Koreans use words to draft rules and conditions. Like I said, I am only translating and I did not make change the word to take anyone's side. Give me some examples, then I'll believe your interpretation. But the point is, that rule has nothing to do with what GOM did. | ||
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Wockets
Hong Kong467 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:39 Zalithian wrote: I'm pretty sure Naniwa didn't even micro his probes. He had 0 intention of winning that game. Sports players bench their players usually because injury is a concern. Using sports is not an apples to apples comparison due to the physical nature. If Naniwa had a legit chance of tearing his MCL while playing Nestea your comparison might be valid. Sports teams usually field their 2nd or 3rd string players on a game that might not be so meaningful - usually tournaments will skip that game anyway, NaNiWa did the same. Whether or not starcraft is physical is not the primary concern - NaNiWa's mindset was off after losing those games. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:42 D_K_night wrote: Overeaction. By the Naniwa fans. Why? Because it's only one tournament. It will not affect Naniwa's ability to play on GSTL and subsequent GSL seasons. In other news a player world wide known for his disrespectful ingame attitude and bad manners gets invited in Code S directly | ||
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msl
Germany477 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:42 D_K_night wrote: Overeaction. By the Naniwa fans. Why? Because it's only one tournament. It will not affect Naniwa's ability to play on GSTL and subsequent GSL seasons. And I happen to be a Naniwa fan because of his bad boy image and ability to shake things up. Guys seriously it's just one tourney. No harm no foul. I think GOMTV did the right thing, and it really doesn't affect Naniwa in the larger scheme of things. Disagree strongly. Nani earned that seed through rules GOM themselves set. Then they ban him without having justification in their own rules. This is point, not wheter or not this will do lasting damage to Naniwars career. + Show Spoiler + Not that he needs GOM for that | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Who makes the decisions there ? A populist monkey ? | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
I came to watch funny games and that was funny. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:44 Wockets wrote: Sports teams usually field their 2nd or 3rd string players on a game that might not be so meaningful - usually tournaments will skip that game anyway, NaNiWa did the same. Whether or not starcraft is physical is not the primary concern - NaNiWa's mindset was off after losing those games. What part of SPORTS RELATED INJURIES are you not understanding? | ||
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bella.test
Norway24 Posts
As someone who doesn't even like Naniwa (don't know if I'd say I hate him, but I certainly don't like him), this is pretty fucking pathetic by GOM. Everyone talks about how Naniwa is an egotistical piece of crap, but this is a 100% ego move by GOMTV, and I will no longer buy any of their products, I also plan to watch a whole lot less of GSL next year. Naniwa legitimately earned his code S spot. Revoking it simply because he did something that only made them look bad (but was probably a good thing overall for PR since all of the buzz it created) is extremely pathetic, especially when you consider that they (GOM and Naniwa) were only in that situation because of a terrible format (which is also nothing at all like the original Blizzard Cup format, and the only person to call GOM out on it is MVP, people should really be a lot more critical of GOM) that was created by GOM. Also, even though I like Sen, giving him a code S seed is pretty lame. You can't just give a seed that was legitimately earned through a predetermined structure and give it to some random (not a knock against Sen's skill) foreigner because you revoked it from a foreigner. That's extremely unfair for all the players in code A and code B, if they're going to take away Naniwa's seed, it should become a wild card spot and become up for grabs. All around, GOM is showing themselves to be just as classless as Naniwa. But unfortunately, there's nothing Naniwa can do because he's committed to Korea and there's no alternatives there, and there's nothing anyone who has gripes with GOM for their decision (and their decisions on other things) can do to affect GOM at all since they have a monopoly on the Korean players and they employ Tastosis (who people will watch no matter who's playing and how bad the games are, and will support no matter how wrong they are at things). Again, this is pretty fucking pathetic. | ||
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Korgon
United States7 Posts
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:40 Kiarip wrote: His responsibility to the fans is to try to win the tournament. He was basically out of the tournament. The only reason he has fans is because his drive to win has gotten him as far as it did. People really dont understand this do they. His fans, and other players fans money and time are the reason for his status as a pro gamer. Your team, or your favourite player in every competitive sport operates off of your money. No profit, no team/player. He needs to respect us, and realize that the game is not meaningless, because the meaning is in his responsibility to give a shit about us. Which he doesnt. Hes spoiled and ungreatful. It doesnt matter how hard your work, if you spit on the people that pay you, youre just an ass. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:04 Rannasha wrote: Coca didn't get punished by GomTV. It was SlayerS who decided on his punishment. In fact, I don't think GomTV even made a statement about the matter. So the two situations cannot be compared. because SlayerS punish him immediately so there's nothing for GOM to do, where as Quantic didnt do anything for close to 24 hours so GOM step in | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:31 Zalithian wrote: He didn't earn his place properly? So anyone getting their seed from MLG doesn't earn it then compared to the ones going through code A? Way to undermine other player's accomplishments as well then. He doesn't get paid to play, he get's paid by winning. He did a terrible strat throwing the game away, but he's a competitor not an entertainer, so they should not throw an excessively harsh punishment based on whether he entertained or not. Especially since it was their format who put him in that position in the first place. If there was a player who did only allins he should be warned for his behaviour by that logic then. Excessively harsh? He got his seed taken away that he didn't even earn through the traditional route. He disrespected the organizers of GOM. GOM runs GSL. Shocking they wouldn't want him in their tournament next season. Guy gets paid to play Starcraft and he won't even play a televised game vs Nestea in a tournament he agreed to (including prize money?) So much white knighting on here. Lets take a look at the reasons we are judging him by. Are we judging him based on the chance of winning with the strat? If that's the case there should be a rule about this, which there is not. Many allin's or funny strategies should be grounds for warning then. Would mothership rush be reason for a ban? Viability of a player's chosen "strategy" should not be grounds for consequence. Are we judging him by his intent then (to lose)? Then the strategy used has no bearing, and they should have a rule regarding that (they don't). Sure rules against match fixing, but this can hardly by twisted into that. Then we are down to judging him for "disrespecting the tournament and audience" by not entertaining. As I believe I pointed out many times, he is not an entertainer, they do not pay him to entertain, therefore they should have no reason to react when he does not entertain. The entertainment comes by proxy from competing to win, logic should then declare when there is nothing to win, entertainment should not be expected and therefore lack of it should not be punishable. Are there any other reasons for this punishment? Can't think of others myself. | ||
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nugget-92
Australia83 Posts
...Then proceed to probe rush 4 times in a row on GSL's largest stage. | ||
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Baobab
Korea (South)153 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:47 sandyph wrote: because SlayerS punish him immediately so there's nothing for GOM to do, where as Quantic didnt do anything for close to 24 hours so GOM step in Don't think GOM could do anything to punish Coca in that situation, because the infraction occurred during the ESV Korean Weekly tournament, not during the GSL (iirc) | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:39 legaton wrote: Understand the Korean culture? Naniwa doesn't get any culture: In Europe: - Banned from German ESL for not respecting the rules - Banned from european ESO/IEM for the same thing - General Bad behavior (TLO didn't accept Naniwa at the gaming house he had with Morrow because of his behavior). United Stated: - Bad manners at the finals of TSL3 - Insulting the MLG tournament on stage and in front of thousands of viewers. - Watching replays before a regame :/ Korea: - Going 1-11 in televised matches, and while invited, throw a game as it meant shit to you..; Naniwa just needs to grow up, and as long as he doesn't change, he's going to get sanctioned for it. In the end, TLO couldn't accept the behavior of the people he moved in with either and choose to live on his own  There's no doubt that naniwa has a history of causing trouble, but that doesn't change that GOM refuses to own up to the problems caused by their flawed tournament-format, and instead puts all the blame on the player. Naniwa apologized after the match that his actions had caused offense. We have not seen a similar reaction from GOM for the negative consequences of their chosen format. When Hero met DRG, he didn't play to win, and it is completely understandable. I don't see how not playing (which really is what naniwa did) is worse than not playing to win. | ||
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