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IPL Charity Stream to Support Amanda (PPSL) 11/14 - Page 33
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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511¤tpage=25#487 further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses" | ||
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IntoTheSnow
Singapore49 Posts
Donated 20! Amanda hwaiting! | ||
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Daray
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
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amanduh
Philippines45 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:23 Charger wrote: My only issue with this whole thing is this: The donations are time sensitive and Amanda must be helped asap, but there are soo few details about anything. And that combination can make for some really strange things, as often happens when people make snap decisions about things with little information. I think it's great that the community can help out Amanda and assuming everything with this situation stays as is, then there's nothing more to it - it was a nice gesture from the community. I hate playing the what if game but in these kinds of situations there are so many variables and facts unaccounted for and it makes me nervous. I apologize as i can only release so much info. As u can see there have been many threads but not once have i even written any.. I chose to be quiet as i myself wanted to give Gus a chance to speak out in behalf of the team... Which i dont know when (i suppose) My main point in creating the account was to expess as much as i can as i am quite overwhelmed how this all happened and obviously quite grateful. | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:19 seiferoth10 wrote: Agreed. If you own factories all over the world and one of your newly hired factory managers fucked up and is now down $10k on wages, it's your responsibility to front those wages and discipline that factory manager. In any other realm except "ESPORTS" this would be utterly ridiculous, but apparently the mindless following can see no wrong in those "helping esports". you guys are all forgetting that IGN is more than just IPL, IPL is just a division of a larger company. They have a budget to work with...spending more in one place means cutting down on others. If the IPL division of IGN goes over budget, or doesn't have enough money to provide quality results..what do you think will happen to them? | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:28 slytown wrote: Are we not allowed to sympathize with an individual who was taken advantage of financially while trying to bring something to esports? She invested in US and without prior suspect of the PPSL was taken advantage of. I honestly don't understand the issues Chill or others have been having with IPL's drive for Amanda. It's money we expected her to have and IPL nor Twitch are receiving any money from this. To think the drive was a scam you would have to expect Amanda, IPL, and Twitch to have fostered a plan to take $5000 plus from the community at the expense of their reputation, their viewers, and their business. I find it strange that people who sympathize with the situation become instinctively defensive when other people give an opinion that defers from their own. Chill among others is not saying you can't donate. you can do whatever the hell you want. they just don't agree with this precedence for donation set by IGN. i mean you can ask the same rhetorical question: are they not allowed to have their own opinions? | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote: So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish. The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it. It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences. A business decision implies that she took a measured risk with the chance to make a return on her investment. In what way do you imply she was trying to profit off of this situation? She was helping to organize an event and expected to be reimbursed. She wasn't trying to turn a profit here. If she was expecting to make a profit, and she lost money, of course, that's on her. She was helping PPSL. She was scammed for $10,000. That's not a business decision. That's a crime. I think someone that would call people foolish for wanting to help someone like that is callous. | ||
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:28 Snackysnacks wrote: So your gonna place negative comments/remarks on the sponser for cleaning up another organizers mess? I called this "charity" stream since the second there was overdue debts, because I know that IGN is the company that cares and take a bit of that extra effort. Though, might this be a blow to us, the starcraft community, hearts. Explaining this situation that some random person is fucked by someone else is hard to a corporation focused on basic bottom lines.. So, instead of lets talking on this subject any more, lets just view the stream, take off the adblock, and do what we can as friends/community FOR our friend IN the community. wait, are you replying to my post or chill's? im confused. i never placed negative comments/remarks on any of the sponsor. but, i agree with you--in times like these, community needs to help each other out. | ||
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amanduh
Philippines45 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:31 IntoTheSnow wrote: I wonder why does all these people here like chill who are talking about moral in this thread. You guys can hold another thread to discuss all you want there. If you like it donate, if you dont like it dont. The community for starcraft is not stupid, we are all at least a degree holder, we are thinkers. Donated 20! Amanda hwaiting!  thanks alot | ||
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bibbaly
98 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote: So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish. The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it. It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences. Why let IGN promote the stream on this website then? If you do not like what they are doing to this community why let them continue? This is flatout begging the community, nothing else. | ||
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amanduh
Philippines45 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:31 Daray wrote: Ugh, i'd donate but my paypal won't work until i get my new creditcard which should be i a few days T_T Lol just keep streaming | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:33 Takkara wrote: A business decision implies that she took a measured risk with the chance to make a return on her investment. In what way do you imply she was trying to profit off of this situation? She was helping to organize an event and expected to be reimbursed. She wasn't trying to turn a profit here. If she was expecting to make a profit, and she lost money, of course, that's on her. She was helping PPSL. She was scammed for $10,000. That's not a business decision. That's a crime. I think someone that would call people foolish for wanting to help someone like that is callous. the business gave him the tickets without requiring him to pay upfront. no travel agency i have ever dealt with has ever allowed me to do that. that was a business risk (and i do say a very stupid risk as we now see). | ||
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Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote: So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish. The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it. It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences. Well it's because they were sort of involved... it's not their fault in any way, but they had their hand in mix, they were part of the whole project that went down, and they hate that this thing they tried to create ended up screwing someone over. That leaves a bad taste in THEIR mouth. I consider IPL enough of a part of the community to feel like this is coming from us a community and as a whole. This isn't some 3rd party getting money out of us, it IS us, we are all part of making IPL what it is. I can certainly understand why you might think it's not our role as a community, and it's your choice of whether to donate or not. And that's fine. But it's not fine to call charitable people foolish for being charitable. At the end of the day someone got fucked because of something they did to contribute to esports, and the people who love esports stood up and said FUCK THAT. | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:05 JinDesu wrote: I'd like to jump in with a quote from another thread: 200k was paid, 516k was remaining. 516k = 12kUSD For the third time, what is IPL's bank right now. What's 20% of their available bank to spend right now? IGN does not have the same responsibilities as IPL - they give IPL funding, and that funding I would imagine has already been assigned for 2012. IPL = IGN Pro League. The benefits and profits of the IGN Pro League go to directly to IGN. If you're trying to state that IGN lets their project operate independently of itself then you're wrong. Until IGN Pro League receives articles of incorporation and is completely independent of IGN, then the IGN Pro League is still part of IGN. Project Budgeting? Are you serious? Let's drop the excuses. It's called some bald accountant in an office has use his God-given opposable thumb to write "7,000 charity, Amanda", and he does that when X Director says "do it". It's that simple. If you don't think it is, then you haven't worked in corporate America. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote: So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish. The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it. It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences. Considering the trust beforehand, I don't see how your statement is reasoned. So because of one asshole she should lose her job? Is it wrong for IPl to feel guilty and want to help a partner in the PPSL, when IPL didn't lose the money? Actually, I'm not sure if IPL did lose money and were only doing the drive for Amanda. Are we sure on that? Either way, this drive actually sets a great precedent. It shows how supportive the community is when things are tough. We can't let one shitty incident like this stop us from reaching out to other communities. | ||
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote: So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish. The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it. It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences. Well, IPL actually used their own stream and their own casters and tech crew for this whole night's show, and will give up all of the revenue they get for this day of streaming. They are streaming replays from games that originally would have been streamed on the two days of the PPSL event, that they will never get the revenue from. So you could see it as them not really promoting a special charity stream, but only that paypal button on their page. | ||
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amanduh
Philippines45 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:38 Lumin wrote: Run 2000 ads in a row I don't care. Let's help out Amanda Oh my thats a whole lot of ads right there >_< | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:22 rengarr wrote: The amount is immaterial. Your statement pretty much says that if I decide to contribute to a charity I have to give 100% or I'm "not sticking with my convictions" as you put it. I could have donated the entire $500, contributed my spare time making homes or working in a soup kitchen. So IGN isn't setting 20% of their money, so what? I didn't set aside 20% of what I can give for this cause either, what I donated was much smaller than that. And while I'm sure there were people here who may have contributed 100%, there also are people who gave away a portion of their spare change, however big or small that portion was. If you're saying that anyone being charitable must give as much as they can, that'll just result in less donations. Charities work because people can give small amounts. 0.0007% of the profit man. Just remmeber that number. It's IGN's right to do what they want, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to sit back and listen to IGN complain that they can't afford 0.0007% of their profits and need the help of (mostly) young people and college students to chip in. | ||
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