EPTIPL Charity Stream to Support Amanda (PPSL) 11/14 - Page 32
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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511¤tpage=25#487 further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses" | ||
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lowziqian
Singapore4 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:20 rijndael wrote: Like I posted earlier, it may send the message that people can take bigger risks in terms of tournament sponsoring since they know the community will bail them out if something goes wrong. I'd HIGHLY imagine this entire incident would already cause all sponsors to take a closer look at who they sponsor. This community event would not do anything to fix that scar already. | ||
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rengarr
42 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:04 SCST wrote: Of course. You chose to donate 1/5 of what you had in your pocket to charity. That's extremely generous actually, and reflects on your character. If IGN were like you, and they donated 1/5 of what was in their pocket (net profit for 2011) it would be $2,000,000 dollars. But Amanda didn't need $2,000,000 dollars. She needed $7,000 more, or 0.0007% of what was in IGN's pocket. And instead of giving it to her, they chose to ask you to cough it up instead.  The amount is immaterial. Your statement pretty much says that if I decide to contribute to a charity I have to give 100% or I'm "not sticking with my convictions" as you put it. I could have donated the entire $500, contributed my spare time making homes or working in a soup kitchen. So IGN isn't setting 20% of their money, so what? I didn't set aside 20% of what I can give for this cause either, what I donated was much smaller than that. And while I'm sure there were people here who may have contributed 100%, there also are people who gave away a portion of their spare change, however big or small that portion was. If you're saying that anyone being charitable must give as much as they can, that'll just result in less donations. Charities work because people can give small amounts. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:21 Manifesto7 wrote: I wonder if Gus got her headset too. Oh Mani, nice one lol | ||
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:21 Manifesto7 wrote: I wonder if Gus got her headset too. gus has a macbook air and razer banshee lol. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:16 Codeskye wrote: how are you even telling her she screwed up? with your logic, that means IGN aso screwed up? there is no one to blame here but the culprit guz ledesma. everybody else is a victim. no one is forcing you to donate. if you don't donate, then that is fine and there is no problem with that. keyword "forcing". IGN/David Ting admitted to the screw, hence the first and original apology by IGN/IPL for what was the travesty of a qualifier. If you really want to know if IGN did screw up. the Amanduh (Amanda the travel agent for PPSL) that posts here also says she did screw up on her end that she trusted to much which is why she is left with the debt for the tickets (the main reason why this fund raiser was put in place by IPL/IGN). So there were screw ups on certain parties, but of course, no one is saying that Gus didn't. So I don't see that the problem is in saying that they also did when it is true. We are not badgering them that they are anymore. Some are just concerned that the fund raiser may set a bad precedent for the e-sport scene screw ups. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
I think it's great that the community can help out Amanda and assuming everything with this situation stays as is, then there's nothing more to it - it was a nice gesture from the community. I hate playing the what if game but in these kinds of situations there are so many variables and facts unaccounted for and it makes me nervous. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:20 rijndael wrote: Like I posted earlier, it may send the message that people can take bigger risks in terms of tournament sponsoring since they know the community will bail them out if something goes wrong. People will grow tired of this very quickly, and anyone who does that in the future and doesn't get bailed out deserves to be screwed. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:41 Chill wrote: Can you pay some of my bills too from when I got short changed? I appreciate the cause, but this is setting a very strange precedent that I can't agree with. Bad fucking taste, you are mocking the people who are donating by saying this.. | ||
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Anytus
United States258 Posts
Those involved would have to concoct some incredibly elaborate story beforehand about how the debts owed are not really their fault, complete with a description of how they got scammed and some documentation to back that up. IPL isn't collecting money just because a debt is owed. It is critically important to this initiative that it seems like a good faith agreement was breached. Is anyone really going to spend that much time planning out how they will scam the community? Further, the Starcraft community isn't a monolithic force like the US government. Its amorphous and there is really no telling what it will do beforehand. It seems like a very shaky thing to rely on when it comes to finances. Even if "the community" were to tacitly 'guarantee' every SC2 tournament that is run in 2012, would that really amount to anything? The thing is that we can't really set a 'precedent.' Unlike the supreme court, if something like this happens in the future it is still up to each individual to decide to donate or not. There is no stare decisis on TL.net. Ultimately, each situation will speak for it self and individuals will decide what they each want to do and I'm okay with that, whatever they decide. | ||
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amanduh
Philippines45 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:22 Codeskye wrote: gus has a macbook air and razer banshee lol. I do have a simple headset with a mic on it... >_< ive never seem rzer items till the event actually started (see how simple a brain i have lol) 17sphynx17 thanks for being very vocal though. Been reading your posts here and there. Again i can only disclose so Much. Im sure after the event IGN and i will coordinate again. So a new statement will be released. | ||
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Snackysnacks
United States411 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:08 Codeskye wrote: horrible analogy. this isn't something small--someone got scammed by a huge amount of money and she can potentially be jailed and she will lose her job and her business would potentially crash as well. i'm pretty sure if you were in amanda's shoes right now, us posters here in team liquid would not hesitate to help you. So your gonna place negative comments/remarks on the sponser for cleaning up another organizers mess? I called this "charity" stream since the second there was overdue debts, because I know that IGN is the company that cares and take a bit of that extra effort. Though, might this be a blow to us, the starcraft community, hearts. Explaining this situation that some random person is fucked by someone else is hard to a corporation focused on basic bottom lines.. So, instead of lets talking on this subject any more, lets just view the stream, take off the adblock, and do what we can as friends/community FOR our friend IN the community. | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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Tuxedo
United States134 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:21 lowziqian wrote: Blaming IGN for not paying the rest of the debt is bullshit. Haters might as well sue Apple for not helping pull some third-world countries out of hunger and poverty. Q.E.D. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:24 ELA wrote: Bad fucking taste, you are mocking the people who are donating by saying this.. So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish. The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it. It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences. | ||
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:27 amanduh wrote: I do have a simple headset with a mic on it... >_< ive never seem rzer items till the event actually started (see how simple a brain i have lol) 17sphynx17 thanks for being very vocal though. Been reading your posts here and there. Again i can only disclose so Much. Im sure after the event IGN and i will coordinate again. So a new statement will be released. haha don't worry about it kabayan  hope everything gets fixed soon and try not to stress out about it. | ||
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Anytus
United States258 Posts
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JinnAxel
Canada50 Posts
It's not a bailout in the negative sense since she in no way had control over the situation she found herself in. | ||
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