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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511&currentpage=25#487

further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses"
Anytus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
November 15 2011 05:54 GMT
#681
I think if IPL were the ones who footed the bill for the flights and such, I don't think they'd be asking us for a dime right now. IPL could walk away from this and do nothing more for Amanda and not lose a dime. I think that is my primary justification for not feeling like IPL is taking advantage of anyone or being disingenuous. They aren't asking us to subsidize their business decision, they're asking us to subsidize someone else's mistake and there's a big difference there. Obviously IPL believes that Amanda's mistake was made in good faith.
Budzlight
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States578 Posts
November 15 2011 05:55 GMT
#682
On November 15 2011 14:52 alexhard wrote:
Can IPL/TGR at least confirm that they've seen receipts for everything and confirm they've not been paid? I mean come on, she's on the same team as Gus, refuses to release any information awaiting a statement by Gus (nearly 10 days after the event), etc. Surely this smells a bit funky?

I didnt even think about that. Good point and it should be addressed. Not to make the situation worse but if i was with a team that did some shit like this i would of made a statement saying I wouldn't be apart of the team anymore. And so far I havent seen a single statement from amanda.
I was the 5% that voted for thorzain in the TSL for round 1
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:56:24
November 15 2011 05:55 GMT
#683
Question, how will we know when you have the money you need and no further donations are required. Has this already happened? I remember seeing someone post 4450$ ~ around that figure quite a few pages back. What happens to the leftover donations that go beyond what you need?
AjAyIGN
Profile Joined June 2011
United States77 Posts
November 15 2011 05:56 GMT
#684
On November 15 2011 14:42 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:22 rengarr wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:04 SCST wrote:
On November 15 2011 13:56 rengarr wrote:
My issue at hand is corporations/people not following through with their convictions. If one takes a moral stance and has the means to contribute, do so completely.


No. Not everyone is a fucking saint.

Let's say I have $500 in my pocket. This $500 is spending money left over after bills and savings. I pass by charity for the homeless. I do not see what is fucking wrong if I were to just donate $100 instead of $500 so I have $400 to spend on stuff like games, fast food/fine dining, movies, or other types of luxuries.

I want to help people but I certainly do not spend 8 hours a day in work, 5 days a week just so I can give someone all my spare cash.


Of course. You chose to donate 1/5 of what you had in your pocket to charity. That's extremely generous actually, and reflects on your character.

If IGN were like you, and they donated 1/5 of what was in their pocket (net profit for 2011) it would be $2,000,000 dollars.

But Amanda didn't need $2,000,000 dollars. She needed $7,000 more, or 0.0007% of what was in IGN's pocket. And instead of giving it to her, they chose to ask you to cough it up instead.



The amount is immaterial. Your statement pretty much says that if I decide to contribute to a charity I have to give 100% or I'm "not sticking with my convictions" as you put it. I could have donated the entire $500, contributed my spare time making homes or working in a soup kitchen.

So IGN isn't setting 20% of their money, so what? I didn't set aside 20% of what I can give for this cause either, what I donated was much smaller than that. And while I'm sure there were people here who may have contributed 100%, there also are people who gave away a portion of their spare change, however big or small that portion was.

If you're saying that anyone being charitable must give as much as they can, that'll just result in less donations. Charities work because people can give small amounts.



0.0007% of the profit man. Just remmeber that number. It's IGN's right to do what they want, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to sit back and listen to IGN complain that they can't afford 0.0007% of their profits and need the help of (mostly) young people and college students to chip in.


I wish I had .0007% of IGN's net profit from 2011 to use for IPL event planning -- cause then the community would get Michael Bay level special effects with Christopher Nolan level production and a generous prize pool (and split) that would make Opera Winfrey look like Scrooge McDuck.
IGN eSports Events and Office Manager
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
November 15 2011 05:56 GMT
#685
On November 15 2011 14:55 Dodgin wrote:
Question, how will we know when you have the money you need and no further donations are required. Has this already happened? What happens to the leftover donations that go beyond what you need?


Well, I know for a fact that GunRun is currently down 2,000$ paid out of his own pocket - I hope that if there are any leftovers, they go to him
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#686
what a pathetic human Gus is. seriously

will donate in a sec
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
HellionDrop
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
281 Posts
November 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#687
Gus is a terrible human being for doing this. JUST TERRIBLE. i'll tune in tonight
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#688
On November 15 2011 14:55 Dodgin wrote:
Question, how will we know when you have the money you need and no further donations are required. Has this already happened? I remember seeing someone post 4450$ ~ around that figure quite a few pages back. What happens to the leftover donations that go beyond what you need?


Amanda's money is fully recouped. The entire tournament is down another $11,000. Any surplus money will go to those affected other than Amanda. At least that's what has been stated. If they continue to have extra, I hope they will refund it to those who donated in some equitable fashion.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
November 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#689
Despite agreeing with some of the negative feedback here, I really don't mind this charity drive as long as the people responsible don't get away with it. I still hope that sanctions whether from the community/legally/opposing parties, would be implemented; despite everyone involved getting paid (which is very common in the Philippines).
AjAyIGN
Profile Joined June 2011
United States77 Posts
November 15 2011 05:59 GMT
#690
On November 15 2011 14:55 Dodgin wrote:
Question, how will we know when you have the money you need and no further donations are required. Has this already happened? I remember seeing someone post 4450$ ~ around that figure quite a few pages back. What happens to the leftover donations that go beyond what you need?


The money being raised for Amanda is to cover the minimum cost of keeping her out of jail and bankruptcy. If more money is raised, it will go towards the other outstanding costs that still are unpaid from the PPSL event.
IGN eSports Events and Office Manager
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 06:00:48
November 15 2011 05:59 GMT
#691
On November 15 2011 14:56 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:55 Dodgin wrote:
Question, how will we know when you have the money you need and no further donations are required. Has this already happened? What happens to the leftover donations that go beyond what you need?


Well, I know for a fact that GunRun is currently down 2,000$ paid out of his own pocket - I hope that if there are any leftovers, they go to him


I think this should be communicated more clearly either in an update from IPL or in the OP. I am not sure if I should donate because if they already have $5000 my money is going elsewhere than to help Amanda. Which is what they are advertising.

edit: NVM thanks to the posts above.
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
November 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#692
donated 1 dollar. enjoy
xd
rengarr
Profile Joined November 2011
42 Posts
November 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#693
Unless some new piece of info comes out about how Gus accepted this deal under gunpoint, he was free to not accept the terms of the IPL's sponsorship deal.

So yes Gus and Team AZK as an organization is responsible for debts that got run up in the event. The IPL on the other hand is responsible for trusting him to run things smoothly. The IPL, took a step further and organized a charity drive, despite them not having to do so.

Honestly it's that simple. It doesn't matter how deep IGN's pockets are. Their deal was described pretty well in the first two posts by Alex. So unless you have access to information we don't have, all you're saying is that a guy/corporation with lots of money has to be the one to shoulder the extra expenses because... they have lots of money.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#694
On November 15 2011 14:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:40 Ropid wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:24 ELA wrote:
On November 15 2011 13:41 Chill wrote:
Can you pay some of my bills too from when I got short changed? I appreciate the cause, but this is setting a very strange precedent that I can't agree with.


Bad fucking taste, you are mocking the people who are donating by saying this..


So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish.

The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it.

It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences.

Well, IPL actually used their own stream and their own casters and tech crew for this whole night's show, and will give up all of the revenue they get for this day of streaming. They are streaming replays from games that originally would have been streamed on the two days of the PPSL event, that they will never get the revenue from. So you could see it as them not really promoting a special charity stream, but only that paypal button on their page.


I think that is really good of them, they should be commended for that. I just don't like the fact they are asking the community to subsidize what I feel is an issue of business.

Just think of it like Boxing Day for ESPORTS.
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Vendor
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada115 Posts
November 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#695
A nice gesture by IPL and good on the people that donate, I just don't believe IGN should ask for handouts on something that is their problem.
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 15 2011 06:01 GMT
#696
+ Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On November 15 2011 14:54 ELA wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2011 14:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2011 14:40 Ropid wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2011 14:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2011 14:24 ELA wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2011 13:41 Chill wrote:
Can you pay some of my bills too from when I got short changed? I appreciate the cause, but this is setting a very strange precedent that I can't agree with.[/QUOTE]

Bad fucking taste, you are mocking the people who are donating by saying this..[/QUOTE]

So what? People can do what they like, but bailing someone out of a bad business decision isn't the role of the community. I would call the people that donated foolish.

The fact that IGN is promoting this stream leaves a bad taste in my mouth too. It feels like they are shrugging off responsibility. If this was something organic from the community I would feel a bit better about it.

It isn't anything person with Amanda, but she is in business. Do business properly or pay the consequences.[/QUOTE]
Well, IPL actually used their own stream and their own casters and tech crew for this whole night's show, and will give up all of the revenue they get for this day of streaming. They are streaming replays from games that originally would have been streamed on the two days of the PPSL event, that they will never get the revenue from. So you could see it as them not really promoting a special charity stream, but only that paypal button on their page.[/QUOTE]

I think that is really good of them, they should be commended for that. I just don't like the fact they are asking the community to subsidize what I feel is an issue of business.[/QUOTE]


There are ways, people just rather opt out as it attracts undue attention from the government with taxes and all that. So people would rather do it without a paper trail to back up claims. You just wish that sometimes, people weigh the risk of not going the legal route against the risk of not doing it without legally protecting your own person/company. But hey, what can you do really.

It a done deal, it happened. We just hope with the days passing, we can a clearer picture as a community as to what transpired between all relevant parties. Dox has aired his side, some players have, TGR has, threehundred also has some. But it still is not the whole picture but just fragments.

Majority of the big picture will come from the rest of Team AZK associated with Gus' actions who are also victims in certain sense. Wish they just quickly clear up the air as to what is what (Especially the hand the others played in the PPSL event/fiasco) Silence in this is not a good thing on the part of Team AZK.

Just saying.

figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 15 2011 06:04 GMT
#697
I had/have the stream on all the time, as background when not active, ads working and everything. To be honest I have equal sympathy for everyone involved in the accident, hope this event (and if needed, more) would help them to get out without extreme debt and closure problems. Frankly, "killing" Gus or whatever would be done to him, won't solve anything, so at least this event may help a little bit in the right direction. Big big thank you to IPL for doing this, and handling the trouble well.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
November 15 2011 06:04 GMT
#698
Shit if I weren't a poor ass college student I would donate a bit. But even $1 is a huge chunk out of my bank account right now. Btw, mad props to GunRun for donating 2k. I don't like his casting style, but he is a good person at heart, as well as everyone else who donated.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
grOuSe
Profile Joined July 2011
12 Posts
November 15 2011 06:04 GMT
#699
The line between really bad trolling and complete stupidity is very blurred in this thread

User was warned for this post
People Is Tasty
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada12 Posts
November 15 2011 06:05 GMT
#700
On November 15 2011 15:00 Vendor wrote:
A nice gesture by IPL and good on the people that donate, I just don't believe IGN should ask for handouts on something that is their problem.


They already paid what they owed. It isn't their problem. They're just going out of their way to help.
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