EPTThe "fact" that there's a guy who may or may not be reputable who may or may not be involved in popularizing the term is completely irrelevant.
MOBA: Why you should not use it. - Page 3
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
The "fact" that there's a guy who may or may not be reputable who may or may not be involved in popularizing the term is completely irrelevant. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
The facts are: 1.There is no singular widespread agreed term for the genre. 2.Most people who say moba have no idea what or where its from, they just use it cuz they heard it. 3.If you don't care, then ok, keep using MOBA. I already know people use MOBA and people will continue to use it. 1. YES there is, its called....wait for it..... MOBA, thats what everyone calls it only the people who have been playing dota for 7 years and think they are some sort of elitists dotn want to call it that, its moba get over it 2.thats not true 3.agree | ||
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Yorke
England881 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:03 cilinder007 wrote: 1. YES there is, its called....wait for it..... MOBA, thats what everyone calls it only the people who have been playing dota for 7 years and think they are some sort of elitists dotn want to call it that, its moba get over it 2.thats not true 3.agree 1. Except that that's not true. Very few of the total number of HoN/DotA players use MOBA. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:08 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote: 1. Except that that's not true. Very few of the total number of HoN/DotA players use MOBA. I thought it was AoS, short for 'Attack other Side', spawned from 'Aeons of Strife'. On October 28 2011 07:10 Craton wrote: Arguing with statistics made up on the spot is cool. 83% of statistics are made up on the spot. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
I'm also not going to use dota because that's a whole different game. I don't call every mmo "maplestory" (not sure what the first mmorpg was) because that was the first mmo. I don't give a fuck where the term came from, it fits the game just fine - about as well as RTS describes starcraft. I'm not the one helping perpetuate this Hunter_ guy. You are. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
2) I think MOBA sounds (kinda) cool. 3) I think ARTS sounds too much like... arts. 4) Calling a fucking genre after the first game of it is plain stupid. "Multiplayer Online Battle Arena" sounds stupid. I agree. However, it doesn't fucking matter. It's an acronym. LDL HDL DNA LSD AIDS BMX CFC SS SA BDM BDSM PHP - I'd be suprised if most people can tell what half of those actually MEAN, but I'm pretty damn sure everyone has an idea what they're about. The whole idea of an acronym is to make things short and uncomplicated. If it sounds good, has no other meaning with which it can be confused (thats why ARTS is bullshit - if Valve uses that for real they have no clue about marketing in that case) and if people can have a vague idea what it means, it's great. Personally, I heard the terms "ARTS", "RTSRPG" and "AoS" for the first time today to describe this genre. I'm a huge nerd. They can't be that widespread. Also this is the first time I hear someone actively defending to name a genre after a single game (DotA). "Dota-like games" would be fine, but DLG sounds stupid again. Edit: tl;dr - where are those great alternatives for the term "MOBA" you told us about again? I can't see any. | ||
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
There are plenty of FPS that show an "over the shoulder" view instead of first person. Should we change them all to TPS? (Third-person, of course) How about all the RPGs with no actual role-playing in them, and merely collections of stats and items and levelling up? What do you call those now? When you say "FPS" a certain framework comes into your head -- you're a single character, you have a gun, you shoot things with it. When you say "RPG", you know there will be statistics, equipments, and levelling up, in either a real-time or turn-based battle system that relies more on the amount of time spent grinding than any actual skill. When you say "MOBA", you understand inherently the genre framework you're working in. And without putting too fine a point on it, at this stage in its development, yes, it will be some sort of DotA clone/knock off. But even then, let's look at League of Legends for a bit. You can look at Dominion and see a completely different style of gameplay, but the same premise is there -- Champions that level up, minions that give XP, money available for items that are the true power in the game. The objectives and win conditions are completely different. Is it still a MOBA? Undoubtedly yes. You could even say it's a "King of the Hill" style MOBA and still be completely accurate, just like a King of the Hill or Capture the Flag mode exists in FPS games that are still called FPS games. And I hate to even answer your...other...points...about using things that were invented by terrible people. I hate to break it to your pure little mind, but more or less everything you use in your day-to-day life was invented by someone who did terrible things -- unless you're saying you promote slavery, corruption, greed, theft, affairs, child abuse...and that's just the start of a list related to turning your computer on and connecting to the internet. Get over yourself and get used to using the term that is already fairly widely accepted. Or if you're that passionate about it for real reasons, like the term actually being inaccurate, then do something to be involved deeply in the community and try to change it from the inside out by talking to the community members who already spend countless hours inside promoting and growing it. .....I actually feel dirty that I spent that long replying to a post that I'm pretty sure is a troll..... | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
The ignorance of the meaning of RTS on a SC BW site baffles me. And let's not talk about the role the Action-part plays in making the distinction between RTS and Dota-style games. MOBA is in itself a vague and maybe weak acronym. But it is new and can be used without any problems. On October 28 2011 06:28 Ack1027 wrote: Wait, so you chose to use MOBA because you don't agree with my point of view? Ooh the irony... [insert fully deserved insult here] There are plenty of FPS that show an "over the shoulder" view instead of first person. Should we change them all to TPS? Yes. Because that is what they are. What's the point in calling an FPS an FPS when we also call third person view games first person view games? You would also support calling a real time game turn based and vice versa? Can't believe someone can say something like this. I also don't believe you when you say that third person view games are called first person view games by anyone relevant. | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
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Aruno
New Zealand748 Posts
Example: NewGuy: "So I was playing Terrorblade the other day, but I died. How do I better learn this MOBA game? It's so hard, the instructions are unclear where I should be farming at the 10minute mark, so I end up being ganked often. What should I do? CommonResponseGuy: "Stopped reading at MOBA 0_0" When people use MOBA in the real Dota community ( i.e. Old fags who played Dota for 2+ years), people will instantly call you a noob or a no-body. Why? Because MOBA = HoN/LoL for them. Which is like an insult. Generally thou, most of the time Dota players don't worry about the "genre" we just play the game. If I had to call it a genre it would be something to do with the fact that it's two sides fighting for their "homelands". At the end of the day, terms like moba, rpg, rts, arts, etc are more important for advertisers than players. For the players it's mostly an easy way to identify new/ignorant fags on forums and subsequently write them off from conversation. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
how about we call it defense of the ancients. we could shorten it to dota. everything else is just... lol. | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:59 paschl wrote: ive never even give this any thought, although MOBA sounds stupid as shit. how about we call it defense of the ancients. we could shorten it to dota. everything else is just... lol. I'm going to give you a nice example of why arguing in such a way is not useful. I've never even given this any though, although dota sounds stupid as shit. How about we call it multiplayer online battle arena. We could shorten it to MOBA. Everything else is just... lol. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
maybe if i write it LoL instead of lol it would be better but i dont like being too on the nose with it. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
I thought MOBA was a name created because RTS-minigame would've been demeaning. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:01 Craton wrote: Oh look, an acronym that accurately portrays a style of game and is understood by the gaming community is used to describe games of that style. The "fact" that there's a guy who may or may not be reputable who may or may not be involved in popularizing the term is completely irrelevant. It does not accurately describe it, and by "gaming community" you mean LoL players. No other person refers to it as such. Though yes, the idea of not using a term because it was possibly popularized by a scamming pedo is rather silly. On October 28 2011 07:42 Suisen wrote: If Dota is an ARTS then so is Counter Strike. MOBA fits Counter-strike much better than ARTS. I personally like the idea of "ARTS" if only because it is referential to War3, though that's only when compared to the current competition. On October 28 2011 07:41 ArcticFox wrote: I'd never heard of this Hunter_ character before this thread. I had definitely heard the term MOBA before though. There are plenty of FPS that show an "over the shoulder" view instead of first person. Should we change them all to TPS? (Third-person, of course) Yes, if the game was set in a third person perspective, I would call it as such. Why on earth would I call something third person a First Person Shooter? They're both subsets of shooters, much like DotA-style games are a subset of RTS. | ||
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krews
United States1308 Posts
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MMello
279 Posts
DoTA2 must rise over all these wanna-be's so the genre can be just called dota  | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:29 krews wrote: moba is such a dumb name, i cant believe people even use it. anyone that played dota will never use that word =/ I played dota, I use the term. Argument refuted. Next! On October 28 2011 08:45 MMello wrote: imo there shouldnt be more than 1 of these games mainstream.. i mean they are all basically the exact same thing just diff colors and character names. DoTA2 must rise over all these wanna-be's so the genre can be just called dota Don't need Starcraft either I guess. Already got Warcraft. | ||
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Jawmare
Canada85 Posts
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