EPTOn a side note, I agree with you. MOBA just sounds retarded. Let's just call the genre DotA.
MOBA: Why you should not use it. - Page 2
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
On a side note, I agree with you. MOBA just sounds retarded. Let's just call the genre DotA. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On October 28 2011 05:59 Ack1027 wrote: Edit: Do you call black people niggers, [ politically incorrect and scummy in nature just like moba ] cuz that's what you wanna use? Even if you despise the racist white people who popularized it? Holy moly | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
Too bad. It's already the dominant term used by the media. Even EG used the MOBA term in their article about the new Dota2 team. MYM uses the term also. Tobi-wan talked about the video he made for some Moba site introducing Dota2. If deep down inside this is what the OP feels, then he should just admit it. This would actually be a much better reason for disliking the term than trying to associate the term with a pedophile. While I think ARTS is better description for the genre, it doesn't sound cool at all. And MOBA rhymes with Dota while still being a better description than Dota. Regardless of how accurate the description is, MOBA is cooler sounder to the general public, and is a homage to Dota. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:13 NeoIllusions wrote: I can also say you're making a mountain out of a molehill. My choosing to use the "MOBA" term has nothing to do with laziness but more to do with how I don't agree with your point of view. Not sure why you're jumping to the conclusion of my word usage and choice means I support Hunter_. What if I'm support Guinsoo instead, for example? My biggest problem is how you try to demonize players who use the term "MOBA" (for any reason) and they are suddenly guilty by association. I personally think the term is somewhat apt. It may not be as technically correct as you would want our genre acronym to be but it works for me. RTS, FPS, even MMORPG, they are all general describers of a genre of game. Wait, so you chose to use MOBA because you don't agree with my point of view? You sat there and said..hmmm what should I call these games collectively as a genre. Oh I know, I'll take Ack's opinion and do the opposite of what he does. I am not up in arms or raging at people who use moba or ' making a mountain out of a molehill ' You can use it if you want. The OP is just information for people who didn't know about it. If you want to use MOBA and don't care then don't post? Isn't that how it works at TL? The facts are: 1.There is no singular widespread agreed term for the genre. 2.Most people who say moba have no idea what or where its from, they just use it cuz they heard it. 3.If you don't care, then ok, keep using MOBA. I already know people use MOBA and people will continue to use it. You conveniently forget that in starcraft 2 if any tournament or organizer doesn't pay out their players or shuts down their support or even has shitty VOD support they are antagonized by the community so that they can improve and the entire sc2 scene benefits. So when hunter, who doesn't pay out, doesn't finish tournaments, hides himself after being revealed, even tries to start a new project through a TL post, is let off the hook so easy you can see the irony. | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
On October 28 2011 04:39 paper wrote: It blows my mind that people use MOBA to describe a genre when it could describe any game. It's like renouncing every noun in the dictionary and using the word "thing" to describe anything and everything. Um every single genre description is that Real Time Strategy? Almost every game has that. Tetris is an RTS Role Playing Game? Any game that involves playing anything other than yourself is role playing MMO? Any game with thousands of people and online is a MMO FPS is probably the most descriptive of any of the genres descriptors, but still is vague -- Oblivion is an FPS when you're using a bow and arrow. Oh but wait, what's that? FPS games always involve guns? Why? Because they term has been used categorically enough that it has entered the English lexicon as connoting shooting guns and not other weapons. Who cares if the term MOBA was originated by a dickweed? If it's apt then it's apt, and if people use it to mean something then that's what it will mean. 99.9% of people don't know where it comes from and don't care (for, frankly, a good reason -- it doesn't matter at all). Where exactly is this Hunter_ guy being let off the hook? Because he's an asshole and a term that he coined is becoming the most commonly used one to describe a subset of video games? Nobody using it even knows it was him, he gains nothing from it monetarily, so who cares? You're afraid he's going to get some sort of psychological satisfaction from it? | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
If you're going to quote parts of my post, at least quote the right friggin' parts, Ack. I personally think the term is somewhat apt. It may not be as technically correct as you would want our genre acronym to be but it works for me. Your opinion is your own, I can either agree or disagree but I'm certainly not drawing my own conclusion just by going opposite of what you decide. My last comment on this issue: arguing "MOBA" has a subpar acronym = no problem. Fight the fight. Trying to bring Hunter_ into any part of your argument = you getting laughed at. Hunter is no part of TL and the post you try to highlight is over a year ago. He is a terrible reason as why not to use the term "MOBA". Btw, "MOBA" is a widely accepted term. I type in "MOBA" or "MOBA genre" into google, I find games of our genre. "ARTS" or "ARTS genre"? I find websites about artwork. Don't even get me started on "TARPS"... lol. | ||
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Kentakky
Sweden1272 Posts
all this MOBA, ARTS, AOS etc is crap and I cringe when all these community people sirscoots, djwheat, slasher, hellspawn etc keep saying MOBA. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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paper
13196 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:30 Ganfei2 wrote: Um every single genre description is that Real Time Strategy? Almost every game has that. Tetris is an RTS Role Playing Game? Any game that involves playing anything other than yourself is role playing MMO? Any game with thousands of people and online is a MMO FPS is probably the most descriptive of any of the genres descriptors, but still is vague -- Oblivion is an FPS when you're using a bow and arrow. Oh but wait, what's that? FPS games always involve guns? Why? Because they term has been used categorically enough that it has entered the English lexicon as connoting shooting guns and not other weapons. HI GANFEI~! ( ´・‿-) ~ ♥ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sEwxA.png) Do you see why object B can fit under A, but B doesn't completely describe A? YAY! | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:41 Kentakky wrote: I call them DotA and DotA type games xD all this MOBA, ARTS, AOS etc is crap and I cringe when all these community people sirscoots, djwheat, slasher, hellspawn etc keep saying MOBA. I get a big smile when MOBA is used because I know nerds are cringing and raging. Even bigger smile when it's used in PR release. | ||
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iinsight
Canada293 Posts
It's not a great term, it's not terrible. It could be alot worse and it seems nobody is able to come up with anything better so we might as well go with it. OP, you can't ask people not to use a term (especially when your argument is awful) without giving an alternative. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34500 Posts
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paper
13196 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:45 iinsight wrote: OP, you can't ask people not to use a term (especially when your argument is awful) without giving an alternative. Poster, you can't ask OP for an alternative when you didn't even read the OP. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cnfq5.png) | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:38 NeoIllusions wrote: What in the world... If you're going to quote parts of my post, at least quote the right friggin' parts, Ack. Your opinion is your own, I can either agree or disagree but I'm certainly not drawing my own conclusion just by going opposite of what you decide. My last comment on this issue: arguing "MOBA" has a subpar acronym = no problem. Fight the fight. Trying to bring Hunter_ into any part of your argument = you getting laughed at. Hunter is no part of TL and the post you try to highlight is over a year ago. He is a terrible reason as why not to use the term "MOBA". Btw, "MOBA" is a widely accepted term. I type in "MOBA" or "MOBA genre" into google, I find games of our genre. "ARTS" or "ARTS genre"? I find websites about artwork. Don't even get me started on "TARPS"... lol. So arguing if MOBA is subpar or not is fine, yet I can't talk about person who used it the most and made the first website with MOBA in the name? Again, you did not read. I said there is no singular widespread agreed term. I can google search fifty synonyms for having sex. Just because I get a buncha results does that mean that any of those are a single agreed term? If I google a song and what genre it is..etc... | ||
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
The facts are: 1.There is no singular widespread agreed term for the genre. 2.Most people who say moba have no idea what or where its from, they just use it cuz they heard it. 3.If you don't care, then ok, keep using MOBA. I already know people use MOBA and people will continue to use it. 1. The genre is relatively new. At first it was a mod for WC3, so people just called it DoTA. It is only recently that this has spawned a wide variety of games that can now be classified as separate from others. Agreeing on a term is something that takes a long time, and there will never been an official document signed that will describe them. Certain terms will simply... catch on... eventually.* 2. I don't know the origin of the vast majority of words or acronyms I use. Does not mean I cannot use them or know what they mean. 3. So why did you make this thread? Your thread attempts to convince people that they shouldnt use the term MOBA, and now you say "if you don't care, then ok". thats... odd. My own: 4. Why does it matter? Mountains out of molehills has already been said... but simply put, why try to stop or slow or direct something that is as natural and powerful as language progression? Just let it happen. Its not like people will start calling it the NIGGER genre or something... (although judging by my time spent in those games, I wouldn't be all THAT surprised). *I believe something that is slowing down a universal acceptance of a term is the rampant fanboyism and general attitude of the MOBA communities. Anyone who has spent any extended time playing them can probably agree that the communities are some of the worst, most BM and rude communities in gaming. Not only that, but there is such split fanboyism between them that they are probably going to vehemently disagree with one another, for no better reason then to disagree. | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:44 paper wrote: HI GANFEI~! ( ´・‿-) ~ ♥ Do you see why object B can fit under A, but B doesn't completely describe A? YAY! You know, that picture is a pretty good description of what most people who want to get into the genre think. MOBA = fun, social, multiplayer. non-MOBA = boring single player POS. ARTS = neutered dumbed down version of a real RTS, like Starcraft. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7230 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:50 Ack1027 wrote: So arguing if MOBA is subpar or not is fine, yet I can't talk about person who used it the most and made the first website with MOBA in the name? Again, you did not read. I said there is no singular widespread agreed term. I can google search fifty synonyms for having sex. Just because I get a buncha results does that mean that any of those are a single agreed term? If I google a song and what genre it is..etc... le sigh, cause the person who coined the acronym, no one really gives a fuck about, k? 99% of the gamers who use "MOBA" don't know about Hunter_. Even if they did find out about Hunter, they probably wouldn't care about him. Do you know who coined "RTS"? What do you know about that guy's history? Yeah, my point exactly. I read plenty. I think MOBA is a widespread term. It's referred as so on Blizzard's website for their DotA. HoNcast for their roundtable streams. EG referred to their new DotA2 team as playing in a MOBA genre game. There are plenty of examples. Not sure why you're in denial about how it isn't widespread. | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:47 paper wrote: Poster, you can't ask OP for an alternative when you didn't even read the OP. The only reason for picking ARTS is that it's the term used by Valve/Dota2, and MOBA is used by Riot/LoL. There is no humble reason. It's hard for fanboys to use a term associated with a competitor. I'll laugh at anyone who tries to deny that. | ||
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