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On September 09 2011 08:05 samaNo4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:00 Frigo wrote:
It is genital mutilation and child abuse, no matter how you look at it. It should be illegal to circumcise anyone under 18. End of story. It should be illegal to circumcise anyone OVER 18. Man, you know how would it hurt when the thing is awake just after the surgery? I have shivers only thinking about it  .
I was circumcised when I was... 12-14... I forget, but around that age. Anyway, it was done under local anasthetic, and it was kinda... inconvenient for a week or so afterwards but I wouldn't say it was painful or it hurt in any significant way.
For the record, I don't feel any ill will towards my parents, nor do I feel there's a part of my self that's missing
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On September 09 2011 08:00 Frigo wrote:
It is genital mutilation and child abuse, no matter how you look at it. It should be illegal to circumcise anyone under 18. End of story.
I think the idea behind certain medical procedures is that it's okay to temporarily hurt a baby if the act will ultimately do more good than harm, i.e. the ends justifying the means. That's why doctors give shots to babies or may need to perform surgeries, and these aren't considered abusive, despite it obviously hurting the children.
The question obviously becomes: Are there enough good reasons to be circumcized?
And on a completely different note, I'm circumcized and don't have an inferiority complex >.> That's just nonsense.
While I can pick out some good information from the OP, I really wish it would have been more objective.
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Good luck trying to convince the other side that his penis is in an inferior form, on the internet no less.
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"...a dick that isn't callused and scarred"
Holy shit, this is a candidate for one of the most biased threads I've seen on TL. I'm surprised it was left open.
I certainly don't feel inferior.
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On September 09 2011 08:24 T0fuuu wrote:
Shouldnt really compare male and female circumcision. One is just skin, the other is the equivalent of cutting off half the dick. The other can actually kill people as well.
1. again, FGM covers a wide range of procedures.
2. male circumcision kills people too
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What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis.
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On September 09 2011 08:23 Destro wrote:
why do you care so much about other people's penises? keep your mind out of other people's pants..
I don't think the conversation really needs to happen. Feels like a big inferiority complex on both sides of the argument.
Because guys are incredibly insecure about their penises. Size, shape, what they look like. I've never seen a rational internet debate about This subject. It's so dumb.
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On September 09 2011 08:23 Mr. Black wrote:
Also, Diks, if you don't have a memory of a pain, then why does it matter?
There are so many causes to take up in the world. You might as well devote your efforts to preventing Latinos from piercing their baby girls' ears, or the mindless mutilation of hair and fingernails that happens everyday.
If it doesn't matter to you, can I beat on your kids while they are less than 2 year olds ?? I promise I won't leave any scars and they won't remember me when they'll be 10.
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Hmmm well I've been circumcised pretty much all my life and it hasn't given me an inferiority complex. I don't think I've ever met a girl who really gave a shit about whether or not I had a foreskin. I feel like 95% of the time someone brings up this argument they're trolling.
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On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis.
Removing the clitoris, more extreme measures are stitching the vagina shut entirely.
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The only circumsized people responding here are Americans. Is this some sort of mass cultural mutilation?
I've never heard a good thing about circumcision in Europe... I thought it was only done by orthodox Muslims/Jews because of their teachings?
Really, what is the point in mutilating your penis. I don't know about you guys, but I have no trouble pulling back my foreskin under the shower and cleaning it... And seriously, mutilating babies should be illegal, when they're 18 they can decide for themselves.
As some other poster said, it's like cutting off your ears so your head is easier to clean...
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This topic is so biased its not funny. Why cant we all just agree that having a wang is awesome...
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i dont know guys ever since i learned i once had a foreskin, ive felt pretty bad about myself.... seriously though i've never even thought about it, so i dont really mind being circumcised. i dont think im any worse off for it, but i guess you never know 
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On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
I prefer a pretty pussy, so I'm going to snip my daughter's labia a little bit.
It's just aesthetics man! don't worry about it!
like wtf
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On September 09 2011 08:29 Hakker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. Removing the clitoris, more extreme measures are stitching the vagina shut entirely.
How is that CIRCUMCISION? Circumcision means excising AROUND something. Do people really call that circumcision?!
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On September 09 2011 08:23 Mr. Black wrote:
Also, Diks, if you don't have a memory of a pain, then why does it matter?.
So by this logic, it's ok to drug girls and rape them, since they wont remeber it anyway?
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I'm not hard against circumcision, but I do wonder why it seems to be practically a standard practice in the US, in certain areas at least. I'm yet to hear a real reason why I would risk my child suffering pain and the complications that can arise from circumcision.
I've debated this with my soon-to-be wife who is American, and she thinks it's just the done thing, but can't really give me any reasons why it's a good thing, although her mother says it looks better o_O
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On September 09 2011 08:30 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:29 Hakker wrote:On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. Removing the clitoris, more extreme measures are stitching the vagina shut entirely. How is that CIRCUMCISION? Circumcision means excising AROUND something. Do people really call that circumcision?!
That's why the more common term is Female genital mutilation.
In come cultures it is or was common.
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aaagh
this thread is too painful for me to read any further.
no more snippety snip!
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On September 09 2011 08:30 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:29 Hakker wrote:On September 09 2011 08:27 DoubleReed wrote:
What is female circumcision?! Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "out little girls" and then say "whether it's a girl or a boy." What?!
Anyway, circumcision is a fundamental part of the Jewish religion. There is only one medical procedure described in the bible and that is circumcision. It is almost entirely a cosmetic procedure. Stop making a big deal out of it.
And where did you get that circumcised men feel inferiority? If anything, it makes it look larger and more robust. In fact, I've heard the opposite. Hell, I know a guy who's girlfriend actually broke out into laughter because she'd never seen an uncircumcised penis before, so he actually asked his mom if he could get circumcised. I have yet to hear of a woman who preferred an uncircumcised penis. Removing the clitoris, more extreme measures are stitching the vagina shut entirely. How is that CIRCUMCISION? Circumcision means excising AROUND something. Do people really call that circumcision?!
They're mostly named similarly for convenience sake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision
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