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Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
September 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#61
Dunno how i feel about it personally. I was circumsized at birth so I didn't have a choice, but I have grown to like it. Its alot easier to keep clean, etc. There are alot of advantages to being circumsized
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Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
September 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#62
Incredibly biased and clearly you don't know what it's like.

I was circumcised when I was young because Idk I had too much foreskin and peeing was difficult and messy or something. I never really asked because I don't really care. Most of my childhood, when I asked if I was circumcised I said yes and people laughed. When I asked what was wrong with that, they couldn't answer, and so I laughed. This encouraged people around me to not be afraid to say they are circumcised and not be ashamed about it. Then again when you're a kid you're ashamed of anything you do that ain't what everybody else does. You quickly grow out of it.

Then, woman really don't care. In fact the ones who know the difference between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis are the ones who just finished their bio class and learned it.

One ain't really better than the other. You can say that sex won't be as good but that's pretty much bullshit. It's not like the rest of your penis isn't insanely sensitive as well. I doubt many would argue that the head is basically as sensitive as the foreskin.

You might have a complex when you're a kid but as you get older male circumcision is basically a not a problem for anybody. One isn't better than the other. No offense but I think OP has a complex, rofl. Unless you have other sources (like your own scientific research) I won't think much of your post. I'm actually pretty surprised that there's pro/con circumcision website.

My stance on it: I don't think anyone should be circumcised for absolutely no reason. Much like I don't think people should have the appendicitis removed for absolutely no reason. If there's a tiny chance that it might cause a problem, then remove it because there's not reason not to.

Female circumcision is a major issue that should be discussed, imo. Not male circumcision and which is better. It's a very useless debate.

Try another route paperboy.
darunia
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States139 Posts
September 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#63
The pros and cons of health and sexual factors are only part of this. It is the human rights aspect that is an issue. The baby never decided to have a large portion of foreskin removed from his penis.

And as for smegma... I mean really I run a tight ship down there and I never have had any problems.

Don't circumcise your kids and tell them to keep that shit clean, easy enough.
If it sounds good, it is good.
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
September 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#64
Since i cut my feet it doesnt stink anymore.
DisneylandSC
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 23:14:45
September 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#65
If anyone wants to have himself circumcised, by all means, go ahead. However mutilating the genetalia of small children / babies (hence done without consent!) should be made illegal.

Also this,



Edit: removed one of the links as it is basicly more of the same.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
September 08 2011 23:09 GMT
#66
Also
+ Show Spoiler +
The biggest reason is the psychological factor. Most men born in the mid 1900's are circumcised. Now that generation is about 40 and 50, which means they probably had kids in the 80's, 90's, and 00's. In today's society, with all this information, we know that circumcision has very negative effects on sexual pleasure. It also has a 50% chance of narrowing of the urethra, which can lead to many other complications. Such as keratinization of the glans. Most importantly, Sexual satisfaction is greatly reduced. This engenders feelings of inferiority in Circumcised men.

This inferiority is a strong feeling in circumcised men. They don't want to be reminded of what they lost, so they circumcise their sons and convince themselves that being circumcised is normal. If circumcised men could control these irrational feelings and not circumcise their children, accepting and understanding what they lost, there would be a lower circumcision rate. I believe that these people try and find 'evidence' or 'excuses' to circumcise. Hence the HIV prevention myth.

On that note, has anyone else noticed that what circumcision supposedly prevents changes between eras? 40 years ago it was supposed to prevent the cancer of the penis. Now it supposedly prevents HIV. This would only happen if neither of those were truly prevented, and pro-circumcisionists simply want to appeal to people's fears.


this isn't true at all in North America.

You really need to look beyond your biased sources...
Try another route paperboy.
cyberspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada955 Posts
September 08 2011 23:11 GMT
#67
First of all your OP is EXTREMELY biased against circumcision. Not the best way to start a discussion if we're only get one side of the facts. :/

Secondly, male and female circumcision are two COMPLETELY different things.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 23:12:58
September 08 2011 23:11 GMT
#68
This is long so I spoiler ed it+ Show Spoiler +



I’m going to try to make this a short as possible and spare literary embellishment to facilitate the dissemination of my beliefs about circumcision. I will be presenting my argument from an American point view, meaning that I do not want to apply these beliefs to foreign cultures.

I strongly feel that male circumcision violates the rights of a human child. In our culture we believe that people have the right to their body, this should include the right to the whole of their flesh. The decisions of a boy’s parents to remove his foreskin should not be available in my view of a better world.

Some people try to defend male circumcision as a protected religious or cultural practice, I will present two arguments that I believe successfully nullify this approach. The first is that in the United States the similar practice of female circumcision; or as it is more commonly and more appropriately called female genital mutilation, is illegal and considered child abuse by many Americans. This practice is supported by the cultural and religious traditions of many people. The second point that I would like to make is that forced circumcision violates the religious freedom of the child. This rite is not akin to a baptism in that if the child ages and decides not to follow the religion of their upbringing there is no genuine harm or foul. In this case they have been subjected to an irreversible procedure for a faith that they do not follow.

Others attempt to promote the circumcision of the young by touting that it decreases the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Even thought the validity of these claims is debated I would like to establish an effective rebuttal that works from a stand point that the aforementioned belief is accurate. Circumcision does not affect the spread of sexually transmitted diseases when prophylactics such as condoms are properly used. In the absence of condoms circumcision will not effectively shield an individual who continually engages in high risk sex. The spread of STDs is most effectively combated with proper education and safe sexual behavior.

I’ve heard some parents claim that they had their son “cut” because they wanted to spare them the pain of having a procedure that they would “know” their son would inevitably have latter in their life. Their justification for denying their child the right to their flesh is to spare the child pain or embarrassment. This to me represents the definition of overly protective. No matter what society or future sexual partners may think of the status of your child the only opinion that matters is their own. We as strong individuals also should strive to create society where we don’t shield our young from decisions because they are harrowing.

Finally I conclude that the prevention of child hood circumcision does not prevent a man from having the procedure latter in life. If I must be forced to declare an age at when circumcision is acceptable I will pick the age of fifteen. I feel as this is more than old enough for the boy to have a good enough understanding of their situation to properly decide how they want to proceed in life.



On September 09 2011 08:11 cyberspace wrote:
First of all your OP is EXTREMELY biased against circumcision. Not the best way to start a discussion if we're only get one side of the facts. :/

Secondly, male and female circumcision are two COMPLETELY different things.


No they really aren't one is worse than the other but that doesn't make the base practice different.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
September 08 2011 23:11 GMT
#69
I don't want to enter the discussion if circumcision is good or bad but I just laugh when someone brings up the argument that a circumcised penis makes it easier to maintain good hygiene. Pulling the foreskin back and washing the penis when you take a shower is about as hard as lifting your arm to clean your armpit.
samaNo4
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Spain245 Posts
September 08 2011 23:12 GMT
#70
But what's exactly the discussion?

Is circumcission bad for your health? No, at all.

Should you circumcisse your sons for no reason? No, at all.

That's it.
And then do you know what happens all of a sudden? Trumpets!!
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
September 08 2011 23:12 GMT
#71
On September 09 2011 07:50 Tezzick wrote:
Sexual dissatisfaction? Do you know sex just isn't about how you're feeling, but the woman?
Every single girl I've been with has said they prefer circumcised to not. (aka cut vs uncut)
Plus, based on what my uncircumcised friends tell me, they don't last near as long as circumcised males do. And I don't know about others, but the longer you last, the better your woman feels, the more erotic it gets = more sexual satisfaction.
This is purely based on my own personal experiences, but I don't like how biased it seems at how you're trying to convince everyone how terrible circumcision is.


I don't know how much sexual experience you have, but this whole post is ridiculous. Everyone is different. Girls get sore after awhile, therefore your statement about lasting longer doesn't really hold water. Some women like quickies, some like the long drawn out sweaty version. I've had a few girlfriends who say that they prefer UNcut. Don't generalize.
Harrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
September 08 2011 23:12 GMT
#72
Circumcised people in this thread seem to think that it's some kind of inconvenient nightmare to clean yourself when you're not circumcised. It's really, really not.

It's also baffling to me that "it looks better" is actually an argument. What other kinds of cosmetic surgery do we perform on babies?

And "I don't remember it" doesn't work for me either. I mean, I could punch ten babies in the face and none of them would remember it when they grew up. Still think I'd be arrested for punching babies in the face for no reason.

But yeah, AIDS prevention in Africa is a much better reason for circumcision. Only problem is that it's nearly impossible to convince any fraction of the population to use condoms, never mind perform penis surgery on their newborn babies.
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
September 08 2011 23:13 GMT
#73
Personally I cant see much reason for or against. It seems like a pretty dumb thing to do unless you have medical issues that lead you to it as a necessary solution. I guess the best reason I can think to be anti-circumcision is that its a waste of medical time. I dont wanna be waiting an extra 10 minutes with busted up hand because some parents feel like mutilating their child without his consent somehow legally.
Bobanator
Profile Joined May 2011
United States15 Posts
September 08 2011 23:13 GMT
#74
I find it funny that many people are saying its done with out the babies consent. No duh, its a baby, the parents have the power to give consent to a child under 18. By that logic you cant start school until 18, because you're a minor and cant give consent, and your parents cant give consent either.
I thought I was indecisive, but now I'm not to sure.
FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
September 08 2011 23:13 GMT
#75
I'm not circumcised, although I live on the East coast of the US which makes me a minority. Personally I have nothing against circumcision, as it simply doesn't effect me.
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
Truality
Profile Joined August 2008
United States2 Posts
September 08 2011 23:15 GMT
#76
I actually had to be circumcised in High school due to an issue that causes about 8 % of the population to not be able to pull back their forskin. That made shit awkward as hell in high school and I am glad I was able to get it cut sooooo I think the whole anti - circ is pretty dumb.
Walshy forever
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
September 08 2011 23:15 GMT
#77
I don't think circumcision is really an issue at all. Almost all of the arguments for it are health related but when the health issues are investigated (from what I have seen) the benefits are minimal as long as proper care is taken to keep the area clean. The arguments against it are mostly emotional and circumstantial. In fact the only remotely scientific argument I have ever heard against circumcision is that it reduces sensitivity in the head of the penis, but testimonials from people who get circumcised as adults (of which there are many) show that this is simply not true.

If there is scientific evidence that circumcision is bad for a child then I have not seen it and I know for a fact that there are medical benefits.
That said, some benefit>no benefit especially if there is no meaningful cost.
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
September 08 2011 23:15 GMT
#78
I don't understand why circumsized people have some kind of vindicative hatred towards their parents. I was circumsized. I don't remember any pain. I've never had sex with a foreskin (but I can guaruntee I enjoy sex just as much as another man) and I never felt any kind of stigma towards circumsized people. AFAIK most of the people Ive known are circumsized (and no I don't live in some kind of jewish convent, quite the opposite )

In any case, i feel like this is such a non issue that there really isn't any discussion to be had here.
howerpower
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States619 Posts
September 08 2011 23:15 GMT
#79
OP is full of alot of bullshit, did you make up half of it?
Saraf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States160 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 23:17:22
September 08 2011 23:16 GMT
#80
Sounds like bullshit to me, spouted by a very vocal minority (in America at least) that wants to get their way. Cut vs Uncut doesn't make that big of a difference; there are benefits and "drawbacks" to both (I'm cut and see no reason why I shouldn't be; I was not a traumatized child and neither was my brother, and l don't envy people who have to wash inside their foreskin). Basically the point I'm trying to make is that if some parents want it done to their children and others don't and it's *not that fucking big of a deal* why would you go out of your way to persecute people who want their children circumcised? Even if it is wrong, it's more wrong to go around blowing it out of proportion and making it out to be a much bigger issue than it actually is.
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