Circumcision: The Elephant in the Hospital. - Page 4
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
I was circumcised when I was young because Idk I had too much foreskin and peeing was difficult and messy or something. I never really asked because I don't really care. Most of my childhood, when I asked if I was circumcised I said yes and people laughed. When I asked what was wrong with that, they couldn't answer, and so I laughed. This encouraged people around me to not be afraid to say they are circumcised and not be ashamed about it. Then again when you're a kid you're ashamed of anything you do that ain't what everybody else does. You quickly grow out of it. Then, woman really don't care. In fact the ones who know the difference between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis are the ones who just finished their bio class and learned it. One ain't really better than the other. You can say that sex won't be as good but that's pretty much bullshit. It's not like the rest of your penis isn't insanely sensitive as well. I doubt many would argue that the head is basically as sensitive as the foreskin. You might have a complex when you're a kid but as you get older male circumcision is basically a not a problem for anybody. One isn't better than the other. No offense but I think OP has a complex, rofl. Unless you have other sources (like your own scientific research) I won't think much of your post. I'm actually pretty surprised that there's pro/con circumcision website. My stance on it: I don't think anyone should be circumcised for absolutely no reason. Much like I don't think people should have the appendicitis removed for absolutely no reason. If there's a tiny chance that it might cause a problem, then remove it because there's not reason not to. Female circumcision is a major issue that should be discussed, imo. Not male circumcision and which is better. It's a very useless debate. | ||
darunia
United States139 Posts
And as for smegma... I mean really I run a tight ship down there and I never have had any problems. Don't circumcise your kids and tell them to keep that shit clean, easy enough. | ||
gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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DisneylandSC
Netherlands435 Posts
Also this, Edit: removed one of the links as it is basicly more of the same. | ||
Steel
Japan2283 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The biggest reason is the psychological factor. Most men born in the mid 1900's are circumcised. Now that generation is about 40 and 50, which means they probably had kids in the 80's, 90's, and 00's. In today's society, with all this information, we know that circumcision has very negative effects on sexual pleasure. It also has a 50% chance of narrowing of the urethra, which can lead to many other complications. Such as keratinization of the glans. Most importantly, Sexual satisfaction is greatly reduced. This engenders feelings of inferiority in Circumcised men. This inferiority is a strong feeling in circumcised men. They don't want to be reminded of what they lost, so they circumcise their sons and convince themselves that being circumcised is normal. If circumcised men could control these irrational feelings and not circumcise their children, accepting and understanding what they lost, there would be a lower circumcision rate. I believe that these people try and find 'evidence' or 'excuses' to circumcise. Hence the HIV prevention myth. On that note, has anyone else noticed that what circumcision supposedly prevents changes between eras? 40 years ago it was supposed to prevent the cancer of the penis. Now it supposedly prevents HIV. This would only happen if neither of those were truly prevented, and pro-circumcisionists simply want to appeal to people's fears. this isn't true at all in North America. You really need to look beyond your biased sources... | ||
cyberspace
Canada955 Posts
Secondly, male and female circumcision are two COMPLETELY different things. | ||
Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
I’m going to try to make this a short as possible and spare literary embellishment to facilitate the dissemination of my beliefs about circumcision. I will be presenting my argument from an American point view, meaning that I do not want to apply these beliefs to foreign cultures. I strongly feel that male circumcision violates the rights of a human child. In our culture we believe that people have the right to their body, this should include the right to the whole of their flesh. The decisions of a boy’s parents to remove his foreskin should not be available in my view of a better world. Some people try to defend male circumcision as a protected religious or cultural practice, I will present two arguments that I believe successfully nullify this approach. The first is that in the United States the similar practice of female circumcision; or as it is more commonly and more appropriately called female genital mutilation, is illegal and considered child abuse by many Americans. This practice is supported by the cultural and religious traditions of many people. The second point that I would like to make is that forced circumcision violates the religious freedom of the child. This rite is not akin to a baptism in that if the child ages and decides not to follow the religion of their upbringing there is no genuine harm or foul. In this case they have been subjected to an irreversible procedure for a faith that they do not follow. Others attempt to promote the circumcision of the young by touting that it decreases the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Even thought the validity of these claims is debated I would like to establish an effective rebuttal that works from a stand point that the aforementioned belief is accurate. Circumcision does not affect the spread of sexually transmitted diseases when prophylactics such as condoms are properly used. In the absence of condoms circumcision will not effectively shield an individual who continually engages in high risk sex. The spread of STDs is most effectively combated with proper education and safe sexual behavior. I’ve heard some parents claim that they had their son “cut” because they wanted to spare them the pain of having a procedure that they would “know” their son would inevitably have latter in their life. Their justification for denying their child the right to their flesh is to spare the child pain or embarrassment. This to me represents the definition of overly protective. No matter what society or future sexual partners may think of the status of your child the only opinion that matters is their own. We as strong individuals also should strive to create society where we don’t shield our young from decisions because they are harrowing. Finally I conclude that the prevention of child hood circumcision does not prevent a man from having the procedure latter in life. If I must be forced to declare an age at when circumcision is acceptable I will pick the age of fifteen. I feel as this is more than old enough for the boy to have a good enough understanding of their situation to properly decide how they want to proceed in life. On September 09 2011 08:11 cyberspace wrote: First of all your OP is EXTREMELY biased against circumcision. Not the best way to start a discussion if we're only get one side of the facts. :/ Secondly, male and female circumcision are two COMPLETELY different things. No they really aren't one is worse than the other but that doesn't make the base practice different. | ||
Batch
Sweden692 Posts
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samaNo4
Spain245 Posts
Is circumcission bad for your health? No, at all. Should you circumcisse your sons for no reason? No, at all. That's it. | ||
HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
On September 09 2011 07:50 Tezzick wrote: Sexual dissatisfaction? Do you know sex just isn't about how you're feeling, but the woman? Every single girl I've been with has said they prefer circumcised to not. (aka cut vs uncut) Plus, based on what my uncircumcised friends tell me, they don't last near as long as circumcised males do. And I don't know about others, but the longer you last, the better your woman feels, the more erotic it gets = more sexual satisfaction. This is purely based on my own personal experiences, but I don't like how biased it seems at how you're trying to convince everyone how terrible circumcision is. I don't know how much sexual experience you have, but this whole post is ridiculous. Everyone is different. Girls get sore after awhile, therefore your statement about lasting longer doesn't really hold water. Some women like quickies, some like the long drawn out sweaty version. I've had a few girlfriends who say that they prefer UNcut. Don't generalize. | ||
Harrow
United States245 Posts
It's also baffling to me that "it looks better" is actually an argument. What other kinds of cosmetic surgery do we perform on babies? And "I don't remember it" doesn't work for me either. I mean, I could punch ten babies in the face and none of them would remember it when they grew up. Still think I'd be arrested for punching babies in the face for no reason. But yeah, AIDS prevention in Africa is a much better reason for circumcision. Only problem is that it's nearly impossible to convince any fraction of the population to use condoms, never mind perform penis surgery on their newborn babies. | ||
BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
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Bobanator
United States15 Posts
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
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Truality
United States2 Posts
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
If there is scientific evidence that circumcision is bad for a child then I have not seen it and I know for a fact that there are medical benefits. That said, some benefit>no benefit especially if there is no meaningful cost. | ||
Hakker
United States1360 Posts
In any case, i feel like this is such a non issue that there really isn't any discussion to be had here. | ||
howerpower
United States619 Posts
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Saraf
United States160 Posts
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