EPTPatch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 294
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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zxd123
China64 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'm so confused.... I thought they designed NP to counter thors in particular.... Even the damn blizzard website said so....so now thors have no counter? o_O That's what I thought lol.. I can't help but feel that Blizzard will just let this through like this. In ZvP I can see it being somewhat justified but TvZ? I think this is like the calm before the Storm, Terran nerfs incoming! | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:28 MrCon wrote: http://it.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/294580196 Skip to the 27th minute, the battle starts at about 27:20. Rewatching the battle while only looking the supply counts is funny too. Aside from the fact that he had no High Templars, he engaged at a terrible spot and then pulled back while his Colossi were getting NPed. As a result he wasn't able to kill the Infestors. Blaming that on NP alone is just nonsense. | ||
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OnlineHero
Denmark647 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:38 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'm so confused.... I thought they designed NP to counter thors in particular.... Even the damn blizzard website said so....so now thors have no counter? o_O Lings counter them, but hey, BFH costs no gas so there's that. | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
NP nerf = toss buff. ZvP in Korea as of 1.3.6 is 8:2. It will help protoss and it is justified. NP nerf = more use of thors. In return, Zerg will recieve a buff in ultrarisks and hellions will be weaker. so it makes much sense. Sound perfectly reasonable to me. | ||
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anarkandi
Sweden48 Posts
But I guess it did make you cry to see your whole army get mind controlled. But there's an easy answer to that. Positioning. Letting the neurals fungal you off a cliff? Dumb. Sending two colossus from behind to rape the infestors during the engagement works. Having HT feedback works. It just takes micro, and positioning. In the end the player with the better mechanics win. | ||
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:44 highsis wrote: NP nerf makes sense. NP nerf = toss buff. ZvP in Korea as of 1.3.6 is 8:2. It will help protoss and it is justified. NP nerf = more use of thors. In return, Zerg will recieve a buff in ultrarisks and hellions will be weaker. so it makes much sense. Sound perfectly reasonable to me. Thank you for being level headed and giving the patch a chance. sidenote: anyone want to predict how tvt mech will change? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:40 OnlineHero wrote: Lings counter them, but hey, BFH costs no gas so there's that. Small groups of thors can be beaten by lings yes more likely we'll see mass thor vs mass BL Im actually more worried about mass BC now | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
the same why they did when they announced that FG will no longer affect air units. But honestly...if this patch goes through...there will be a lot of backlash....a lot! | ||
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4189 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:45 wolfe wrote: Thank you for being level headed and giving the patch a chance. sidenote: anyone want to predict how tvt mech will change? Hellion fights last longer and hence TvTs would last longer which means if you want to watch gsl you forgo more sleep. | ||
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PeZuY
935 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:31 Sotamursu wrote: Am I the only one who thinks battlecruisers might be somewhat viable now since they can't be NP'd? No you are not  BTW, i don't know how many know or remember the BS strategy from BETA with mass Raven with HSM. Before the HSM nerf, you could effectively trade energy for dmg and have a high probability of retaining most of the Ravens after the fight. It was a "i don't need to scout or adapt, very cost efficient" way to play. HT with KA was a similar thing: mass caster units with minimal support. In essence, the roles become reversed. The supporting unit becomes the "main" unit and the main units take the role of support. Even if it can be "countered" to make the game relatively even, it is still very stupid that is works at all. It's just not Starcraft. I see mass Infestors in the same way. While there might not necessarily be a big problem with one particular "ability", the versatility that it offers through all 3 abilities makes them a sure bet. Balance aside, it makes for stupid, non Starcraft play, IMO. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:49 PeZuY wrote: Fungals and mass roaches deals pretty easily mass thor. Fungal on thor?? | ||
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Yes he is. Battlecruisers get hardcountered by corruptors. | ||
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anarkandi
Sweden48 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:52 Shade_CsT wrote: Guys, the problem isn't mass Thors... It's 4-5 Thor with the support of tons of upgraded tanks, it destroys roaches... Thor tank is not a problem. Why do we see tank marine in almost every TvZ? Because tank + thor is so strong? | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
At first seeing the "NP'ed units now correctly keep armor/attack upgrades" was making it look like they wanted to buff NP, but now this change makes it kinda useless. I mean what are you going to NP now? The only thing I could see would be tanks, since on the rest of the other units the energy would be better spent with a fungal. I don't know, seems a bit like the Blueflame nerf to me. It makes an upgrade not really worth it. I hope this change doesn't go through, and if it does hope they reduce the cost of the upgrade, or remove the upgrade requirement, or reduce the energy cost or something, but NP was a fun thing to see as a spectator and I hope it won't go away. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On September 09 2011 18:46 neoghaleon55 wrote: I can't help but feel that blizzard is just trolling us the same why they did when they announced that FG will no longer affect air units. But honestly...if this patch goes through...there will be a lot of backlash....a lot! Best solution: Give NP to the corrupter. | ||
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