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Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it.
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On July 04 2011 17:10 infinity2k9 wrote:
And yes someone really needs to archive Nevake on like 2x2tb hdd's. It probably won't be that much to be honest due to the low resolution. But think to the future just in case. That's not much hdd or bw cost, but you got HISTORY stored right there.
I would rather have a couple of mirrored webservers to backup nevake.
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I prefer the way it is now. I have easily accessible and catalogued VOD's (through TLPD) with korean commentators (far superior to any english BW cast really) and I can watch every match live streamed by angels sent from heaven such as GTR. Don't try to fix something that is so beautifully not broken.
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On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it.
I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article.
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Thousands of web hits and youtube views isn't something you can monetize. You would earn more money working at McDonalds Part Time.
Also I find it weird that you are appealing to KESPA about licenses that it doesn't own. VOD/Broadcasting rights are sold to OGN/MBC which hold copyright over their own things and are unlikely to like being pushed around by KESPA.
However, I guess you do have a good idea, an english site with all proleague vods and english content by SDM. I think you should ask them to hire Artosis and Puetorican to provide content and call it something snappy like SC4All.com or something. Because that will make millions and stay around until the end of time.
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On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article.
i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider.
basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent.
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On July 04 2011 17:24 iluez wrote:
Thousands of web hits and youtube views isn't something you can monetize. You would earn more money working at McDonalds Part Time.
Also I find it weird that you are appealing to KESPA about licenses that it doesn't own. VOD/Broadcasting rights are sold to OGN/MBC which hold copyright over their own things and are unlikely to like being pushed around by KESPA.
However, I guess you do have a good idea, an english site with all proleague vods and english content by SDM. I think you should ask them to hire Artosis and Puetorican to provide content and call it something snappy like SC4All.com or something. Because that will make millions and stay around until the end of time.
lol nice one. One thing i can guarantee, SDM will not be a part of this. He has no intent to.
btw KeSPA and OGN/MBC are pretty much synonymous.
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On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article. i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent.
I certainly don't mean stop trying, I simply mean that in its current form, your idea will simply hurt us. Reworded, I'm sure we'd be glad to support your ideas.
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On July 04 2011 17:29 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article. i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent. I certainly don't mean stop trying, I simply mean that in its current form, your idea will simply hurt us. Reworded, I'm sure we'd be glad to support your ideas.
well here's the good thing about writing things in English first: no one important reads it lol =P. The main thrust of this argument will be the korean version of this article.
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1. "koreans don't know about nevake / teamliquid".
2. write article aimed towards the koreans (and KeSPA, OGN, MBC) telling them about nevake, teamliquid, restreams, and all the unauthorized duplication of their work.
3. ???
4. Loss of the entire foreign community, nevake and restreams.
There are no two ways about this. Hell, if korean bw fans don't know the vods are on nevake, then after you tell them and MBC about it MBC has no other choice than to kill off nevake otherwise not only can they not earn new foreign viewers, but they will lose some of their paying customers who will now go to youtube instead of pay for vods on MBCs site.
This article is disastrous to the foreign bw community. I can't grasp how you don't see it, even after having it explained to you by everyone in this thread. re-wording it is not going to change this. Unless if your goal is to go down as the guy who killed off the community, please, stop.
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On July 04 2011 17:31 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:29 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article. i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent. I certainly don't mean stop trying, I simply mean that in its current form, your idea will simply hurt us. Reworded, I'm sure we'd be glad to support your ideas. well here's the good thing about writing things in English first: no one important reads it lol =P. The main thrust of this argument will be the korean version of this article.
would love to see the final version (translated or summarized in English of course)
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51097 Posts
On July 04 2011 17:29 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article. i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent. I certainly don't mean stop trying, I simply mean that in its current form, your idea will simply hurt us. Reworded, I'm sure we'd be glad to support your ideas.
oh and when you do 'reword' it,gives that 6 pages of details.
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On July 04 2011 16:04 TheGlassface wrote:
Actually, even looking at it...can you somehow take down that comment about the nevake channel?
I think, without asking Moktira/Nevake, that was kind of rude. TBH.
I mean, if he gets his channel shut down over this...I won't be the only one upset about it. I guarantee that.
Yeah, someone with a fat internet pipe and some spare harddrives could back that shit up, would be realy helpful incase ogn/mbc/kespa get angry
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On July 04 2011 17:32 kdgns wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:31 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:29 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article. i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent. I certainly don't mean stop trying, I simply mean that in its current form, your idea will simply hurt us. Reworded, I'm sure we'd be glad to support your ideas. well here's the good thing about writing things in English first: no one important reads it lol =P. The main thrust of this argument will be the korean version of this article. would love to see the final version (translated or summarized in English of course)
well we'll probably edit the english one to match the korean one. It really comes down to changing a few sentences.
Thanks for all the feedback peoples!
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I'm all for trying to make BW bigger and some of your ideas are good. But your approach is pretty terrible imao.
1. Turn nevake into Kespa's official StarCraft BroodWar channel on Youtube and use its partner status to generate revenue.
You can even kill off all the channels that only have a few hundred games, as long as you leave the English casted games alone along with the nevake account. I for one don't think this proposed Kespa site will endure the passage of time while nevake on Youtube will almost certainly last as long as Youtube. And losing it forever because Kespa wants to make an extra buck is an awful scenario.
2. Upload vods to both this new Kespa site and nevake on Youtube and if it turns out this Kespa site performs better (not some arbitrary BS like with-holding content for the Youtube channel for weeks but maybe higher quality, better load times etc.) then I'm sure people will eventually flock to that. But keep both alive!
3. Kill off unofficial streams if necessary but if the only replacement is shitty English ones, then please don't bother. We want either only Korean or both. Those are the only two options. English only is not an option.
tl;dr: Partner with Youtube so nevake doesn't need to get axed and give us 2 official stream options, English and Korean. If you manage to do those two things, I'm sure we'd all support you.
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On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:
i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider.
basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent.
As I said earlier, this is not a mere 'secondary matter'
I don't think anyone believes you are actually out to get nevake, we are just (VERY) worried about the effects on it. All the hate is directed at it because it IS what will effect us most out of this entire ordeal. Because honestly, very few of us care about English casters.
So if you are proceeding with this, I think the main thing to take from this thread is, tread very carefully, especially regarding nevake.
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On July 04 2011 17:31 moopie wrote:
1. "koreans don't know about nevake / teamliquid".
2. write article aimed towards the koreans (and KeSPA, OGN, MBC) telling them about nevake, teamliquid, restreams, and all the unauthorized duplication of their work.
3. ???
4. Loss of the entire foreign community, nevake and restreams.
There are no two ways about this. Hell, if korean bw fans don't know the vods are on nevake, then after you tell them and MBC about it MBC has no other choice than to kill off nevake otherwise not only can they not earn new foreign viewers, but they will lose some of their paying customers who will now go to youtube instead of pay for vods on MBCs site.
This article is disastrous to the foreign bw community. I can't grasp how you don't see it, even after having it explained to you by everyone in this thread. Unless if your goal is to go down as the guy who killed off the community, please, stop.
Yep. Somehow he is the guy with a bomb around his waist, who kidnapped all of us. We are the hostages, trying to appeal to him but he doesn't listen.
Now we need the police to solve this matter or we have to pray that the bomb is a dud.
Also, the building is our home and if it gets destroyed we will have nowhere to go.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51097 Posts
On July 04 2011 17:33 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:32 kdgns wrote:On July 04 2011 17:31 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:29 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 17:19 Lightwip wrote:On July 04 2011 17:14 moopie wrote:
Look d_so, regardless of what you think or what your goal is, what you are doing is writing an article saying "Hey KeSPA, nevake on youtube has a ton of copyrighted content and teamliquid regularly restreams unauthorized streams.... want to deal with us?"
Now regardless of if the answer is yes or no (and even in the case of yes odds are it wont be free and/or as good/accessible, might lag and will have commercials), you are going to cut off the foreign community, period. You said yourself currently MBC charges for vods, so surely they will cease and desist on nevake, streams, etc, regardless of anything.
In essence, what you are doing is killing an already dying community, in the hopes that maybe some day, there is potential for a way to re-do the foreign community.
Leave it alone, this community is tiny, its not going to grow, and we are trying to make the best of it. I agree with this and suggest that you remove the article. i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent. I certainly don't mean stop trying, I simply mean that in its current form, your idea will simply hurt us. Reworded, I'm sure we'd be glad to support your ideas. well here's the good thing about writing things in English first: no one important reads it lol =P. The main thrust of this argument will be the korean version of this article. would love to see the final version (translated or summarized in English of course) well we'll probably edit the english one to match the korean one. It really comes down to changing a few sentences. Thanks for all the feedback peoples!
Are you seriously going through with this?
no I need some sort of guarantee that Nevake and our streamers don't get fucked over if this falls apart.
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I don't know what it is in Korea that makes those commentators so interesting to listen to but that's just how it is. I dont understand korean at all (not counting words here and there) but I wouldnt listen to any other commentators if I cant get proof that someone can get the same amount of excitement out of game than our beloved korean guys.
In my opinion the largest role of ANY commentary is to get the hype and excitement they are sharing with their enthusiastic attitude towards the subject. Anyone with working eyes can tell if marines are moving out or not, or if armory got sniped, or if expansion is being made. You dont neccessary need that info from the commentator you can see it yourself (tho in case of armory you usually get that even vocally :>).
Maybe it's just me or small amount of people but I really dont require some boring sounding commentator telling me that mutalisks just popped and now they are going to harass mineral line. I rather listen to nonesense that I dont understand at all but makes me hyped and excited nevertheless.
So the point is - in my opinion - that there are no english speaking commentators out there who are even close to that love and enthusiasm towards the game and if there are. And dont think that getting an english commentator would give us exactly the same amount of deep speculation, understanding etc. what korean commentators are doing now. It would take lots and lots of time to actually learn the game in a way that understanding what they say actually profits listener.
ps. Dont be cute with "but new boys and girls has hard time to get in bw". We were once in that point, and we made it. So why not them?
Also I like my vods, dont take them away pls 
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Ugh, another fomos article involving TL and threaten its existence though unintentionally or not, pls leave it alone 
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