EPTATTN Kespa: Stop ignoring the ENglish market! - Page 10
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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Tenhou
1052 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:05 Reyis wrote: well to be honest, he would have had more viewers if he stops the weirdo comments at right bottom and stops opening unrelated and weirdo videos between the games. wow this is pretty off topic but you think that those will affect viewer counts? Most BW viewers should be used to the "weirdo videos"(though rarely it's a bit more extreme, but nothing a mute button can't handle.) way before nanashin started streaming. The "weirdo comments" shouldn't even distract you from the game at all so you're just hating for the point of hating. | ||
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Arkqn
France589 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:27 Tenhou wrote: wow this is pretty off topic but you think that those will affect viewer counts? Most BW viewers should be used to the "weirdo videos"(though rarely it's a bit more extreme, but nothing a mute button can't handle.) way before nanashin started streaming. The "weirdo comments" shouldn't even distract you from the game at all so you're just hating for the point of hating. i get pretty distracted by the comments. Thats usually the reason i put a stream up if i can get a source, simply because i'm watching it on my own source because i was driven off by the comments. I really wish he'd just chat in his chat instead of on the screen >< | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
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Reyis
Pitcairn287 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:27 Tenhou wrote: wow this is pretty off topic but you think that those will affect viewer counts? Most BW viewers should be used to the "weirdo videos"(though rarely it's a bit more extreme, but nothing a mute button can't handle.) way before nanashin started streaming. The "weirdo comments" shouldn't even distract you from the game at all so you're just hating for the point of hating. i am not hating nanashin LOL, he is doing a great thing with being the only dedicated streamer nowadays and we are all thankful. but all that weirdo stuff wasnt that much common like this in the past tho. plus it is not most actually, we can make a poll about who loves to watch korean girl singers who dress like elementary school girls and sing nonsense? yes lyrics are terrible, music itself has nothing to offer either and so far its all about the skin show. On July 04 2011 19:32 Kiante wrote: i get pretty distracted by the comments. Thats usually the reason i put a stream up if i can get a source, simply because i'm watching it on my own source because i was driven off by the comments. I really wish he'd just chat in his chat instead of on the screen >< here is a very good solution, he should really carry that thing to his stream chat, which would be normal. also he can use that box for previous game scores with player names in it, just in case of OPs not being updated in time, less spam in chat with "DID FLASH PLAYED?" stuff. its a win/win imo. | ||
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Tenhou
1052 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:32 Kiante wrote: i get pretty distracted by the comments. Thats usually the reason i put a stream up if i can get a source, simply because i'm watching it on my own source because i was driven off by the comments. I really wish he'd just chat in his chat instead of on the screen >< I guess the comments part is not distracting for me probably. I can barely notice it once the action in the game started. Nanashin is like the only (main)MBC game channel streamer now a days. On July 04 2011 19:34 Reyis wrote: i am not hating nanashin LOL, he is doing a great thing with being the only dedicated streamer nowadays and we are all thankful. but all that weirdo stuff wasnt that much common like this in the past tho. plus it is not most actually, we can make a poll about who loves to watch korean girl singers who dress like elementary school girls and sing nonsense? yes lyrics are terrible, music itself has nothing to offer either and so far its all about the skin show. I don't know how long you've been watching BW but I've watched it since summer 2009 and 3 main streamers(Roffles, Craton, GTR) I know plays Kpop each time they stream and there's 2 more that I don't remember(maybe Boesthius?). You think Kpop isn't good for you, that's your opinion man. | ||
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Oozo
Finland432 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:31 Arkqn wrote: Hmm... I'm just wondering why Kespa has just decided now to think about open itself to the foreign community. Is it because of SC2? Its not Kespa, its d_so writing article that targets Kespa(and mbc/ogn indirect way) to give suggestions of action to provide specific services to English market. This also has hidden consequences that could cause close of Nevake account for example, which everyone here values extremely highly due its vast database and almost non matched upload speed/quality. Edit. fixed name, sorry for mixups  | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Also I have metioned the vod's and restreams to them. They are not concerned about it at all from what I can tell. Auctally they are quite taken aback that we have so much saved. KeSPA does not have a saved database of their vods nor I think would have the capacity to host them on their own. Both MBC and OGN have small database of their shows. But it is more recent and harder to access everything. I think that taking vods and such away from youtube would be a horrible thing. BW lives off of bw vods on youtube. Getting rid of that would kill bw since not many people would charge for vods. They know about the vod's. As a lot of very famous chinese sites have huge (larger then youtube) database of vod's. But they do not go after them since they know both gaming T.V shows would not be able to handle such large bandwith needs. KeSPA could only benefit from the vod's and restreams on youtube. They know this. They have to do 0 work in order to get a good amount of people watching their productions. When I was talking to Sean oh (marketing manager of CJ) He did explain that it was hard for KeSPa to get into the scene outside Korea. For him it sounded like not an If KeSPA will do thigns outside Korea, But a when. KeSPA does not need any more money, so killing a possible market to gain some small amount of money seems unreasonable. I have to think their is a little personal bis on your part SDM. Since you are one of the very few english speaking casters in Korea that have worked in the past. So you would automatically be hired. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:31 Arkqn wrote: Hmm... I'm just wondering why Kespa has just decided now to think about open itself to the foreign community. Is it because of SC2? I guess some have noticed that Gom TV has been making money with selling their GSL stream/VOD subscriptions and think it could be a good money spinner. While I have no problem with the idea of paying a reasonable amount for viewing, I'm not sure there's really a big enough BW foreign community left for it to really be worth it for them. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 04 2011 17:26 d_so wrote: i'm not going to remove it but i will think heavily on how to word it when i write it in korean. xBillehx pmed me some really relevant stuff regarding youtube that has given me serious reason to reconsider. basically, all the hate is predominatly directed at 1 thing: stopping youtube vods and restreams. This thread has become 100 percent about saving nevake, and I may have made a mistake regarding my stance on that. But i'm not out to get nevake or nething, so please don't misconstrue my intent. Oh my god, OF COURSE IT IS!!! Besides re-streams, nevake is our only connection to BW. Lets say Kespa decides to take down Nevake and doesn't put up a stream. We are screwed. Lets say they put up a stream, realises there is no income, and takes it down, we are screwed. We won't even be able to have BW articles on TeamLiquid. Just look at what happened when Fomos started publishing english articles, and screwed TL over. And please stop bringing up risk/chance/reward/whatever. Do you know anything about risk management? Risk = Probability x Impact. On a scale out of 10, Probability is 9 (unlikely they will make money), and Impact is 10 (we completely lose our connection to BW). Which gives you a suicidal risk rating. No sane business would go ahead with this, any person who decided to go ahead would be insta-fired, you are bordering on insanity here. Its not about taking a large risk for a big reward. It is taking a suicidal risk for a tiny reward. This is like putting 1 million dollars on the number 7, in the hope that you will make 50 dollars profit. Its just ridiculous. Please, if you don't remove the article, at least remove anything mentioning nevake. ffs. Also why should KeSPA get the money, they have enough bloodstained money already, have you seen their building?! I really wish they didn't exist. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On July 04 2011 19:57 d_so wrote: yo guys im not sdm lol And reading more and more of the thread makes me say please put this in the OP lol^^ | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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Samhax
1054 Posts
they could expand bw all over the world, if they tried to invest money long time ago in an english market, maybe the bw foreigner scene will not be so tiny now, but they didn't care about the foreigner fans and now they are paying the price, they are stuck with an exclusive (maybe dying) Korean scene that can't be expanded and can't grow, because it's stuck in korea. They just care about foreigner fans because they saw they could make money with it now but it's too late. Next time don't think just about money when you want a growing scene, but more about pleasing the fans all over the world and the money comes next and naturally when the fans are satisfied. | ||
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Tenhou
1052 Posts
On July 04 2011 20:12 Kiante wrote: why would you come to the community for feedback if you're not going to ttake our feedback into consideration? the overwhelming majority of people are telling you NOT to do this. so you're going to do it anyway? Come on dude stop being stupid He's the kind of people that just say things for formality and doesn't listen to what other people say(sounds like a description of a troll in this part). | ||
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Ryo
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dishbat
Canada37 Posts
I mean, how thick does one have to be to have one's eyes just gloss over all the protesting? Perhaps not thick, but simply self-motivated with a personal agenda. Save yourself a bit of trouble, a lot of potential pain for everyone else, and just stop bothering us with your selfishness, please. d_so, I do respect your goal of alerting KeSPA to this community in the hopes of revitalizing the English speaking side of BW, but I can't forgive your lack of respect for everyone here opposing you by dismissing their worries as "leaps of logic" and refusing to post your "more detailed plan" for us to read. How many more concerns for the rest of us lie in those 6 pages of yours? If you won't humour us in any other way, just post the rest of the details for us to agonize over. Pretty please. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
I just want my korean brood war daily like im currently getting. I could care less about english casters. Streams work, live report workers, vods work, interviews work. We got all that through hard work. Why should we risk everything we have for some more viewers? I say no. | ||
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