EPTATTN Kespa: Stop ignoring the ENglish market! - Page 12
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Brad`
Canada548 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On July 04 2011 22:39 sixfour wrote: read the bit right before you bolded. while you're probably right as far as a first language go, there's an awful, awful lot of people that speak english as a second language, mandarin not so much including second language speakers, mandarin is still the most spoken language edit: unless you mean solely second/third language speakers excluding native speakers, then yes english would rank first | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
Fomos seems to have gotten this retarded idea lately that somehow a large foreign BW community exists. This is really patently false  | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 04 2011 15:57 d_so wrote: i think if anything -- and I've discussed this with several people in the industry -- the Shanghai move represents a desperation that Kespa previously had not shown before. It is the inch they've given and we need to take the mile from it. So yeah, I think Kespa can be convinced to leave it for free if they see value in it. It's up to us to convince that there is value. The Shanghai move wasn't even done by KeSPA, it was done at the suggestion of OGN | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 04 2011 15:55 d_so wrote: these are leaps of logic that, to be completely honest, have no justificiation besides your premonitions and experience. I understand though that everyone is quite pessimistic about Kespa and it's natural to think they'll do the worst. But my hope is they won't. I do have a more detailed plan that stresses ease of access, quality and revenue-without-pay, but I left it (and 6 more pages of details) out of this initial article for brevity's sake. No one is pessimistic about "KeSPA". This entire thing isn't even KeSPA's decision. All the VODs are already available on OGN. Maybe you should go yell at MBC Game. On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote: ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. u can PM me ur response btw. I'm not flaming you, i really want to know. Youtube is far more accessible than Korean sources ever will be. Are you mad? | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 04 2011 16:46 d_so wrote: That's only the current foreign community, ie males that know how to play RTS games. Look at the korean audience that goes to watch games. See how many women there are. Why do you think they come to watch? Do you really think they would watch the game if the announcers were speaking in English? Announcers are the key for growth in the casual market. Growth in the casual market is impossible? maybe! But I think we have to try before we say it's impossible. No cause English announces are guaranteed to suck. People have this magical idea that Tasteless was actually good at casting back in Gom Leagues. I can tell you that you only say that because you haven't heard some of the good Korean commentator. They are on a different level. The amount of money it would take to find a good English BW commentator is not worth any sort of effort because NONE EXISTS. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
I understand that Fomos wants a bigger BW community mostly because they want to promote the use of their global section. Make your global section actually usable and read less like some newspaper tabloid with retarded opinion pieces and terrible english and formatting. THEN you can talk about expansion. But really? People see Fomos Global and think it's a farce. It's still a farce despite how hard you've been working there d_so cause of certain other contributors to that site. it's some clever scheme by Fomos. No wonder you posted shit that "Did SC2 bring you into BW", it's all just market research for all of this and trying to expand or something. I'll tell Fomos this straight up -- make your global section professional before you even think of trying to play your media cards to try and expand the market because it is ridiculous. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2539 Posts
On July 04 2011 23:20 Milkis wrote: Okay, I understand that Fomos wants a bigger BW community mostly because they want to promote the use of their global section. Make your global section actually usable and read less like some newspaper tabloid with retarded opinion pieces and terrible english and formatting. THEN you can talk about expansion. But really? People see Fomos Global and think it's a farce. It's still a farce despite how hard you've been working there d_so cause of certain other contributors to that site. it's some clever scheme by Fomos. No wonder you posted shit that "Did SC2 bring you into BW", it's all just market research for all of this and trying to expand or something. I'll tell Fomos this straight up -- make your global section professional before you even think of trying to play your media cards to try and expand the market because it is ridiculous. Also make it not load slower than shit. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On July 04 2011 23:12 Milkis wrote: No cause English announces are guaranteed to suck. People have this magical idea that Tasteless was actually good at casting back in Gom Leagues. I can tell you that you only say that because you haven't heard some of the good Korean commentator. They are on a different level. The amount of money it would take to find a good English BW commentator is not worth any sort of effort because NONE EXISTS. no one realized that the solution is pretty simple: a strongly accented asian english speaker | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 04 2011 23:20 Milkis wrote: Okay, I understand that Fomos wants a bigger BW community mostly because they want to promote the use of their global section. Make your global section actually usable and read less like some newspaper tabloid with retarded opinion pieces and terrible english and formatting. THEN you can talk about expansion. But really? People see Fomos Global and think it's a farce. It's still a farce despite how hard you've been working there d_so cause of certain other contributors to that site. it's some clever scheme by Fomos. No wonder you posted shit that "Did SC2 bring you into BW", it's all just market research for all of this and trying to expand or something. I'll tell Fomos this straight up -- make your global section professional before you even think of trying to play your media cards to try and expand the market because it is ridiculous. All hail Milkis!!! | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1696 Posts
With relation to people saying "BW had it's chance" etc- I think people forget that Esports is SO different now than it was when BW was at it's foreigner peak. That peak was nothing compared to what it can be now, and it had so little public exposure, other than one or two niche websites hidden away. Like TL. It is not an exhausted market, it is an untapped market. I think china is a great starting point to work BroodWar into a wider consciousness, as they are more open minded towards progaming etc. Expansion needs to be slow unless you're gonna throw huge amounts of money at rapid expansion and forcing the game out there, like Sc2. It's the right idea to steadily expand, and get people hearing about BW. I don't know why everyone is so against the idea. Afraid of change much? It's grow or die in life. That's a fact. In refusing to accept any plans to actually bring BW into a more public awareness, you really do doom it. If 1 in 50 people like the game (for example purely), then the more people see it, the more followers it will gain, and the better it will be in every respect. It's time for people to stop willfully treating esports as such a niche sport, and be open to the concept of expansion, rather than being so stubborn. The poster who said "the novelty is worn off". What a ridiculous thing to say. This isn't about trying to push a novelty parade to a mass market- it's trying to get exposure to a really fantastic competitive sport, which has one hell of a lot of potential worldwide. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
If they wanted some guarantee of success, I would go with subtitling the already great commentary. Tasteless and Artosis might be worthy commentators if they came back to BW, but I don't know the chances of that, and I also don't think they get quite as excited as the Koreans. It's pretty complex to implement is what I'm saying, and they really have to be committed to delivery a quality product, not giving the foreign community the same crap GSL did. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
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