ATTN Kespa: Stop ignoring the ENglish market! - Page 7

On July 04 2011 16:53 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:


While we appreciate your enthusiasm in helping the community I think you may have misjudged the priorities of the existing bw community.

I think Nevake is not just a secondary issue, but the primary issue thats driving our opinions atm.
Nevake represents not just a way to view vods, but as an archive of precious bw history, NOWHERE else can you easily find an arbitrary proleague or starleague game from several years back and watch it.

I think our primary concern is in fact that you are viewing this as a secondary issue. If we get Kespa to listen to the idea before sorting out the details, the risk is that this crucial archive will be lost forever. Because at this stage, there is very little Kespa can offer us on top of what we already have, and unless Kespa manages to get it exactly right (eg make vods easily accessible to our satisfaction AND keep a giant archive of historical games) then whatever they will do will likely be more destructive than constructive to the already existing infrastructure.

I appreciate that the current setup with youtube in no way benefits Kespa, and I'm sure that the community would be willing voluntarily to help Kespa in any way that does not threaten the good things we already have going (eg by releasing their own vods but leaving Nevake alone, or even disallowing Nevake to upload new vods that they have, but leavign the current archive alone). I hazard to guess that the currently overwhelming negative response you have received from the community in this thread stems from the what you are asking the community to risk that there is very little we can gain.

The fact of the matter is, unless and until we can be sure that Kespa will be able to provide a satisfactory service to replace what we already have, the possibility of losing Nevake poses a vital and unacceptable risk to our existing infrastructure.

On July 04 2011 16:54 Black[CAT] wrote:
Whatever happens, destroying nevake or any archive of that sort must never be allowed.

On July 04 2011 15:31 d_so wrote:
P.S. Please leave the Fomos/TL drama at the door! This thread is not about that. Hopefully there can be an amicable solution between the two soon.

On July 04 2011 16:57 d_so wrote:


unfortunately, i think even though we have a lot of feelings for nevake, past examples prove these feelings will not stop viewers from changing their viewing habits . For example, everyone hated comedy central's decision to remove the Dailyshow from youtube and to use their own crappy player. People still comment on how shitty the ads are and the player is. But people still watch.

The daily show risked the goodwill of their fan base by doing this. But now they have a revenue generating model while also being free. That, ultimately, is the goal.

On July 04 2011 16:58 Fenrax wrote:
The article itself is well written and good. it does not deserve the hatred it gets.



Of course this thread is about Fomos and TL. It is about Fomos vs. TL for being the prime site of the English market.

What dows Fomos have?
They have contacts to Kespa because of their Korean section. Therefore they have some exclusive photos and intervies. The English section has two mediocre article writers and an extremely small user base.

What does Fomos want?
The TL users to use their site instead of TL.


What does TL have?
At the moment Teamliquid is synonymous with the English BW scene. They have multiple very good article writers, a unique database, teamliquid.net is the best programmed site I have ever been on and they have an active community.

What does TL want?
Here it starts getting interesting.
ATM Teamliquid is resting on its glorious past. Unlike with SC2 the site does nothing to expand in BW. If Kespa wants to expand to the English market the natural thing would be to go to TL and make a deal. Of course what usually happens in this nepotistic world would be that they go to Fomos instead of TL to do so because the contact is already there.
In this case however I think that a Kespa/Fomos would be doomed to fail. The Fomos English staff is just not good and big enough and fighting the current TL monopoly on English Broodwar would just destroy the English BW community overall.

So the optimum would be a TL / Kespa alliance. I know this seems might be impossible because of the general stupidity and ignorance and nepotism of big companies. But in the case of English growth it would not only be the best option it is in fact the only option. A stable stream would be a first big step. English commentators would also be a very good idea. People might say that they enjoy the incomprehensible Korean casting but I am sure that as soon as a new good English is found people will love him.


On a side note taking down Nevake would be suicidical for any English market growth. The foreign community would not forgive that.

On July 04 2011 16:27 d_so wrote:
i think it should be free. But i dont think it should be on youtube. Youtube does nothing for KESPA. For kespa to run a free model, it needs a lot of clicks and it needs those clicks to go directly to kespa. Registration makes these clicks even more accurate as u can get accurate demographic numbers.

On July 04 2011 17:01 DNB wrote:
BW will not die for a long time. Warcraft 2 was never as popular as BW, but even today it has a very small but passionate (and BM) community. 10 years on there might not be televised BW anymore, but I'm sure as hell there will still be a small dedicated self-running community for it. As long as the hearts stay in the game, the game will NOT be dead.

There are many good and old games played online today, and just because they don't have an e-sports scene doesn't mean they are dead.

On July 04 2011 17:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


It's dead in that there's absolutely no way to make money off BW outside of Korea. There is no way anyone can dispute that with logic and reason lol.

Edit: China has ways to "make money," but it's less of a business and more of a non-profit recouping some costs. So the point of it being retarded to profit off BW outside of Korea by "expanding the market" or whatever this thread is talking about still stands.

On July 04 2011 17:06 d_so wrote:


kespa certainly agrees with you.

On July 04 2011 17:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


KeSPA is correct.

On July 04 2011 17:09 d_so wrote:


and if they are, they won't listen.

but u know, most koreans don't even know about teamliquid. or about youtube.com/nevake. I bring this up with people in the know and they are surprised by how large the numbers are.

If kespa is making an informed decision to ignore the foreign market, then yeah, leave it be. But for the most part, it appears they don't know. That means they're making decisions off of ignorance.