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On July 04 2011 16:25 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:23 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:15 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:05 d_so wrote:
thx for the feedback guys, when we post it in Korean I'm going to make it much more explicit that I'M NOT PROPOSING A PAY PER VIEW MODEL. And i'll also use the Daily show and comedy central as a comparison. You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. Are you so deluded that you think kespa is going to upload a COMPLETE vod database after shutting down nevake? At best it'd be archived from the point of creation. we'd lose all the rich broodwar history in the form of vods. well maybe you're right. Maybe nevake can exist up to the point that the new site is created. I haven't thought that through a 100 percent though. I feel that is a secondary issue that needs to be discussed if we can get Kespa to listen first. You know what companies do when you shove copyright violation into their face? they shut it down. You might have good intentions, but all you're going to do here is get the great resources we have right now shut down
maybe. But one thing I'm confident in is that kespa is not so impenetrable anymore. They will be open to reason if we can prove that we could provide value by listening to us. The shanghai move should be a clear cut sign that kespa is desperate for growth.
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On July 04 2011 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 15:55 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:52 okum wrote:On July 04 2011 15:42 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:39 okum wrote:
The part about cease and desist letters is a joke, right?
Right? Unfortunately, it's not. And I think GomTV has proven that even if a move like this engenders some hate, ultimately it's the wise thing to do from a business perspective. A better thing to do from a business perspective would be to provide a service that's superior to the free alternatives. That's inevitably not going to happen. If OGN/MBC follow your plan, the following will happen: * The official streams will be be impossibly slow in Europe. * Only the English cast will be available to foreign viewers. The casting will be done by SDM. * The stream and VODs will require a proprietary player or plugin that only works in IE. * It will not be possible to fast forward when viewing VODs (hi GOM). * Nevake will be shut down, but old games will never be archived on the official site. these are leaps of logic that, to be completely honest, have no justificiation besides your premonitions and experience. I understand though that everyone is quite pessimistic about Kespa and it's natural to think they'll do the worst. But my hope is they won't. I do have a more detailed plan that stresses ease of access, quality and revenue-without-pay, but I left it (and 6 more pages of details) out of this initial article for brevity's sake. please do share with us what sort of plan you have in mind.
i don't think now's the time and place for that. For now, honestly, it's all about just getting their ear.
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I seriously suggest subtitles. But don't touch nevake, please.
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But we don't want a change. We're all happy with what we got.
I can't see any improvement by changing anything, sorry.
Let it go.
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On July 04 2011 16:31 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 04 2011 15:55 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:52 okum wrote:On July 04 2011 15:42 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:39 okum wrote:
The part about cease and desist letters is a joke, right?
Right? Unfortunately, it's not. And I think GomTV has proven that even if a move like this engenders some hate, ultimately it's the wise thing to do from a business perspective. A better thing to do from a business perspective would be to provide a service that's superior to the free alternatives. That's inevitably not going to happen. If OGN/MBC follow your plan, the following will happen: * The official streams will be be impossibly slow in Europe. * Only the English cast will be available to foreign viewers. The casting will be done by SDM. * The stream and VODs will require a proprietary player or plugin that only works in IE. * It will not be possible to fast forward when viewing VODs (hi GOM). * Nevake will be shut down, but old games will never be archived on the official site. these are leaps of logic that, to be completely honest, have no justificiation besides your premonitions and experience. I understand though that everyone is quite pessimistic about Kespa and it's natural to think they'll do the worst. But my hope is they won't. I do have a more detailed plan that stresses ease of access, quality and revenue-without-pay, but I left it (and 6 more pages of details) out of this initial article for brevity's sake. please do share with us what sort of plan you have in mind. i don't think now's the time and place for that. For now, honestly, it's all about just getting their ear.
d_so:"hi guys, i've got this great plan to expand broodwar! I'm going to get everything good shut down oh and i have a plan to make it all work, dw it'll be fine"
bw community: "get the fuck out"
take a hint dude. we dont want this. please dont post it
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On July 04 2011 16:29 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:25 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:23 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:15 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:
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You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. Are you so deluded that you think kespa is going to upload a COMPLETE vod database after shutting down nevake? At best it'd be archived from the point of creation. we'd lose all the rich broodwar history in the form of vods. well maybe you're right. Maybe nevake can exist up to the point that the new site is created. I haven't thought that through a 100 percent though. I feel that is a secondary issue that needs to be discussed if we can get Kespa to listen first. You know what companies do when you shove copyright violation into their face? they shut it down. You might have good intentions, but all you're going to do here is get the great resources we have right now shut down maybe. But one thing I'm confident in is that kespa is not so impenetrable anymore. They will be open to reason if we can prove that we could provide value by listening to us. The shanghai move should be a clear cut sign that kespa is desperate for growth.
You expect us to agree to gamble our archive of BW just for the potential for it to benefit us with no realistic guarantee that it will?
It should be obvious why we don't support it.
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On July 04 2011 16:29 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:25 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:23 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:15 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:
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You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. Are you so deluded that you think kespa is going to upload a COMPLETE vod database after shutting down nevake? At best it'd be archived from the point of creation. we'd lose all the rich broodwar history in the form of vods. well maybe you're right. Maybe nevake can exist up to the point that the new site is created. I haven't thought that through a 100 percent though. I feel that is a secondary issue that needs to be discussed if we can get Kespa to listen first. You know what companies do when you shove copyright violation into their face? they shut it down. You might have good intentions, but all you're going to do here is get the great resources we have right now shut down maybe. But one thing I'm confident in is that kespa is not so impenetrable anymore. They will be open to reason if we can prove that we could provide value by listening to us. The shanghai move should be a clear cut sign that kespa is desperate for growth.
See the problem here is.
There is no us. Its just you.
STOP!
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On July 04 2011 16:31 Elefanto wrote:
But we don't want a change. We're all happy with what we got.
I can't see any improvement by changing anything, sorry.
Let it go.
if we let it go, Korean BW might die. Then everyone loses.
This isn't just for the foreigners. Above everything else, I want pro BW to live on. And I don't think it can right now without some method of expansion.
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On July 04 2011 16:31 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 04 2011 15:55 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:52 okum wrote:On July 04 2011 15:42 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:39 okum wrote:
The part about cease and desist letters is a joke, right?
Right? Unfortunately, it's not. And I think GomTV has proven that even if a move like this engenders some hate, ultimately it's the wise thing to do from a business perspective. A better thing to do from a business perspective would be to provide a service that's superior to the free alternatives. That's inevitably not going to happen. If OGN/MBC follow your plan, the following will happen: * The official streams will be be impossibly slow in Europe. * Only the English cast will be available to foreign viewers. The casting will be done by SDM. * The stream and VODs will require a proprietary player or plugin that only works in IE. * It will not be possible to fast forward when viewing VODs (hi GOM). * Nevake will be shut down, but old games will never be archived on the official site. these are leaps of logic that, to be completely honest, have no justificiation besides your premonitions and experience. I understand though that everyone is quite pessimistic about Kespa and it's natural to think they'll do the worst. But my hope is they won't. I do have a more detailed plan that stresses ease of access, quality and revenue-without-pay, but I left it (and 6 more pages of details) out of this initial article for brevity's sake. please do share with us what sort of plan you have in mind. i don't think now's the time and place for that. For now, honestly, it's all about just getting their ear.
You must post this info man. Nobody will support this unless there is some sort of guarantee it won't get horribly fucked up.
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On July 04 2011 16:29 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:25 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:23 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:15 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:
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You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. Are you so deluded that you think kespa is going to upload a COMPLETE vod database after shutting down nevake? At best it'd be archived from the point of creation. we'd lose all the rich broodwar history in the form of vods. well maybe you're right. Maybe nevake can exist up to the point that the new site is created. I haven't thought that through a 100 percent though. I feel that is a secondary issue that needs to be discussed if we can get Kespa to listen first. You know what companies do when you shove copyright violation into their face? they shut it down. You might have good intentions, but all you're going to do here is get the great resources we have right now shut down maybe. But one thing I'm confident in is that kespa is not so impenetrable anymore. They will be open to reason if we can prove that we could provide value by listening to us. The shanghai move should be a clear cut sign that kespa is desperate for growth.
Also how do you go from shanghai PL finals to kespa being desperate. Do you have proof? seems like you're taking a big leap there.
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I really don't think this is a good idea. The foreign community has put in a ton of effort to solve the issue of watching themselves. Kespa should have taken this up years ago - to start messing with the foreigner community now will just ruin it for everyone and will make the last few foreigners who follow Broodwar leave...
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I would watch BW again if it had English casters, I used to really like watching english commentated games on youtube before sc2 was released, but I almost never watched live streams. I also didn't visit TL more than once every few months back then so I didn't have much of an idea about the scene.
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On July 04 2011 16:24 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:18 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:05 d_so wrote:
thx for the feedback guys, when we post it in Korean I'm going to make it much more explicit that I'M NOT PROPOSING A PAY PER VIEW MODEL. And i'll also use the Daily show and comedy central as a comparison. You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. You can get vods from ogn and mbcgame already. still confused why you are bothering? u cant get it from mbcgame.
you can get vod from mbcgame.
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Should have run this through TL before posting it. Losing nevake has to be avoided at all costs.
Only 2 things they could do: Make streams more accessible, or try and sell MBC/OGN globally like KBS and arirang.
You CANNOT remove those VODs, unless somehow they managed to have kept every single game archived.
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On July 04 2011 16:36 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:24 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:18 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:05 d_so wrote:
thx for the feedback guys, when we post it in Korean I'm going to make it much more explicit that I'M NOT PROPOSING A PAY PER VIEW MODEL. And i'll also use the Daily show and comedy central as a comparison. You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. You can get vods from ogn and mbcgame already. still confused why you are bothering? u cant get it from mbcgame. you can get vod from mbcgame.
You can't get VODs from mbcgame's official site unless you pay.
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On July 04 2011 16:34 ZeroChrome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:31 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 04 2011 15:55 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:52 okum wrote:On July 04 2011 15:42 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:39 okum wrote:
The part about cease and desist letters is a joke, right?
Right? Unfortunately, it's not. And I think GomTV has proven that even if a move like this engenders some hate, ultimately it's the wise thing to do from a business perspective. A better thing to do from a business perspective would be to provide a service that's superior to the free alternatives. That's inevitably not going to happen. If OGN/MBC follow your plan, the following will happen: * The official streams will be be impossibly slow in Europe. * Only the English cast will be available to foreign viewers. The casting will be done by SDM. * The stream and VODs will require a proprietary player or plugin that only works in IE. * It will not be possible to fast forward when viewing VODs (hi GOM). * Nevake will be shut down, but old games will never be archived on the official site. these are leaps of logic that, to be completely honest, have no justificiation besides your premonitions and experience. I understand though that everyone is quite pessimistic about Kespa and it's natural to think they'll do the worst. But my hope is they won't. I do have a more detailed plan that stresses ease of access, quality and revenue-without-pay, but I left it (and 6 more pages of details) out of this initial article for brevity's sake. please do share with us what sort of plan you have in mind. i don't think now's the time and place for that. For now, honestly, it's all about just getting their ear. You must post this info man. Nobody will support this unless there is some sort of guarantee it won't get horribly fucked up.
Think about it this way. Kespa doesn't even care right now. They're completely oblivious to the potential of the English market. Do you think they want to read a 6 page plan from the start, filled with minute details covering everything from forming a partnership with TL (especially TLPD) to the design of the site?
It is there, and it will come. But now's not the time
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On July 04 2011 16:36 ZeroChrome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:36 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:24 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:18 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:06 Kiante wrote:
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You're missing the point here. We dont want your dumb changes. For gods sake dont post this. If you get nevake shut down, there will be a mob of angry BW fans... that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. You can get vods from ogn and mbcgame already. still confused why you are bothering? u cant get it from mbcgame. you can get vod from mbcgame. You can't get VODs from mbcgame's official site unless you pay.
yes 700 won. asking mbc to move their vods to a new site will still cost money. so im confused as to why the op is bothering? This is a giant waste of time.
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My friends and I found the pro-bw scene and TL tru youtube. All of a sudden, you cant see any pro-bw games on youtube no more. The scene becomes even more obscure, knowledge of the existence of a pro-bw scene is even harder to obtain. Besides, how many people in the world knows about kespa or even TL? People who tries to get into the scene will not know about kespa or TL yet.
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On July 04 2011 16:37 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:34 ZeroChrome wrote:On July 04 2011 16:31 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 04 2011 15:55 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:52 okum wrote:On July 04 2011 15:42 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 15:39 okum wrote:
The part about cease and desist letters is a joke, right?
Right? Unfortunately, it's not. And I think GomTV has proven that even if a move like this engenders some hate, ultimately it's the wise thing to do from a business perspective. A better thing to do from a business perspective would be to provide a service that's superior to the free alternatives. That's inevitably not going to happen. If OGN/MBC follow your plan, the following will happen: * The official streams will be be impossibly slow in Europe. * Only the English cast will be available to foreign viewers. The casting will be done by SDM. * The stream and VODs will require a proprietary player or plugin that only works in IE. * It will not be possible to fast forward when viewing VODs (hi GOM). * Nevake will be shut down, but old games will never be archived on the official site. these are leaps of logic that, to be completely honest, have no justificiation besides your premonitions and experience. I understand though that everyone is quite pessimistic about Kespa and it's natural to think they'll do the worst. But my hope is they won't. I do have a more detailed plan that stresses ease of access, quality and revenue-without-pay, but I left it (and 6 more pages of details) out of this initial article for brevity's sake. please do share with us what sort of plan you have in mind. i don't think now's the time and place for that. For now, honestly, it's all about just getting their ear. You must post this info man. Nobody will support this unless there is some sort of guarantee it won't get horribly fucked up. Think about it this way. Kespa doesn't even care right now. They're completely oblivious to the potential of the English market. Do you think they want to read a 6 page plan from the start, filled with minute details covering everything from forming a partnership with TL (especially TLPD) to the design of the site? It is there, and it will come. But now's not the time
Honestly, yes, i'd love to read that. Please, post it.
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On July 04 2011 16:34 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 16:29 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:25 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:23 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:15 Kiante wrote:On July 04 2011 16:14 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:12 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:10 d_so wrote:On July 04 2011 16:09 Baarn wrote:On July 04 2011 16:07 d_so wrote:
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that mob of angry fans is still watching GOM TV casts. gomtv doesn't cover bw. so im really lost here. i mean like those angry fans who got pissed cuz gomtv eliminated all restreams and VODs on youtube. remember that? like a year prior. That was for star 2. You can still download gom classic off the website or use their player. Still confused why you want to bother with this? ? I'm proposing the same thing. Eliminate youtube channels and put it on a kespa website. So that they are accessible, but through a kespa site. That way they can get clicks which they can hopefully convert to money. i'm not saying eliminate and don't replace. I'm saying make a good, kespa based alternative and then remove. Can i ask you honestly like... did you read the article? And if you did, was it that unclear? Because the ideas you are getting are completely different from what I have written, but if everyone keeps getting to that conclusion then that means I've done a poor job as a writer. Are you so deluded that you think kespa is going to upload a COMPLETE vod database after shutting down nevake? At best it'd be archived from the point of creation. we'd lose all the rich broodwar history in the form of vods. well maybe you're right. Maybe nevake can exist up to the point that the new site is created. I haven't thought that through a 100 percent though. I feel that is a secondary issue that needs to be discussed if we can get Kespa to listen first. You know what companies do when you shove copyright violation into their face? they shut it down. You might have good intentions, but all you're going to do here is get the great resources we have right now shut down maybe. But one thing I'm confident in is that kespa is not so impenetrable anymore. They will be open to reason if we can prove that we could provide value by listening to us. The shanghai move should be a clear cut sign that kespa is desperate for growth. Also how do you go from shanghai PL finals to kespa being desperate. Do you have proof? seems like you're taking a big leap there.
maybe. It is a bit of a leap. But several things:
despite what milkis says, many others view the Wemade disbandment to be quite plausible. Btw, the WEMADE game center is literally 2 stories above the FOmos center.
Kespa has NEVER touched the proleague finals before. Recent polls show 95 percent disagree with the move. Kespa has always been about cultivating goodwill from their audience so that the sponsors are viewed favorably.
Everyone knows BW as a playing game is dying, all stats show it.
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